Re: Was: [Re: Why I'm giving up on Django] Now: Creating Debian Application Installer package

Thanks for that information, Ian - I was anticipating a day or so of reasearch next week to package up my app, but hopefully I won't have to now. --Jon On 10/2/06, ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Baurzhan Ismagulov wrote: > > Hello mamcxyz, > > > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 07:43:49AM -0700,

Was: [Re: Why I'm giving up on Django] Now: Creating Debian Application Installer package

Baurzhan Ismagulov wrote: > Hello mamcxyz, > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 07:43:49AM -0700, mamcxyz wrote: >> - Deployment. I work on Delphi and the idea of put a EXE and all is >> working right (tm) is a feeling I lost with python on hosting. > > So what about writing a small script that will do

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

Just on the Apache 1.3 issue, I had the same problem on one of the sites I developed, I was able to get the fastcgi module installed and the site runs fine (has had some decent traffic levels). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

Well.. let me add to this discussion as well :) 1) Loading 'static' templates is, imho, easily achieved. I wanted to lad them from the file system, but ended up putting static views in the database (using a custom, 15 lines of code template loader and a filter). The most astounding feature is

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

I think that can be nice Specially when is necesary setup other dependencies I know some things can not be automated easily because the diversity of linux distros, but something in the lines to show what is need to deploy is a *good* start.

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

Hello mamcxyz, On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 07:43:49AM -0700, mamcxyz wrote: > - Deployment. I work on Delphi and the idea of put a EXE and all is > working right (tm) is a feeling I lost with python on hosting. So what about writing a small script that will do this for you? Something like tar cC

Re: Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

That was actually a conscious decision to keep from needing support images for the debug pages. I wanted them to be completely self-contained, which is why we used the unicode glyph for the disclosure triangle (a pretty universal UI indicator) to indicate that those sections could be expanded.

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

DavidA wrote: > I agree that the UI could be tweaked to make it more obvious, like > changing "Local vars" to "Click here to show local vars". This will just make this pile of text look more scary :-). You and Daniel didn't read it in the first place so changing text won't help. But what will

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Here's my anecdote on that. > > Even though it was literally staring me in the face, it took me AGES to > discover that the error dump page is actually interactive and has > little sections that expand and collapse. > I kept running into error messages which told me

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

On Sep 29, 2006, at 7:43 AM, mamcxyz wrote: > - I dislike the indirection to run django class... the thing about run > python manage.py shell to really touch the classes... is not very > "pythonic", or mainly, convenient. How can the python shell not be pythonic? Don

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

I have some feelings with Django too, however after working two years with ASP.NET (I'm certified by MS, if that show my commitment) and try first with Clastle (a try on rails for .NET, but with the non-sense of java-like framework) I found django. I hate: - Deployment. I work on Delphi and the

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

Sean Schertell wrote: > Instead of > providing some simple facility to let you override parts of the > standard manipulators In fact you can do just that. Though it's not clearly documented. I recently wrote about it here:

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

> I kept running into error messages which told me about > exceptions in the Django source code (this is the top part of > the error page) and I kept thinking "well, where's the bloody > use in that??? I want to know what MY error was! Grmbl.". Django your easily find out if a module name in

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

James Bennett wrote: > Tracebacks are a really hard thing to handle well in an application > stack with more than a couple of components; generally the debug pages > are nice, though, because they give you the local vars at each level > -- when (as is often the case) an error occurred because

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

Hm... you could check Pylons, which would "solve" some of your problems. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

You can also just use the "next" parameter in the login form. Here's how I did it On 29/09/06, Don Arbow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sep 28, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Sean Schertell wrote:>> (2) This is a biggie

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

On 9/28/06, Sean Schertell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (1) The clean modular apps aren't totally decoupled because they > still have to use the project's template directory and css (which > makes sense perhaps but complicates things for what I'm trying to > achieve). No, they don't.

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

On Sep 28, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Sean Schertell wrote: > > (2) This is a biggie for me. I can't believe that the authentication > module forces you to use hard coded urls for login/logout pages -- > that's just maddening! So if you want to do it your own way, you have > to totally roll your own

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

On 29-Sep-06, at 6:56 AM, Sean Schertell wrote: > But I'm very sorry to say that one by one, all of these things turned > out to be not so great after all. Here's what I found after six weeks > of struggling to build a site in Django that would have taken a week > or so in PHP all the 7 points

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 10:26 +0900, Sean Schertell wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I just wanted to share with the community my personal experience with > Django in the hopes that maybe some of my petty gripes might be > somehow helpful. Before doing that, I have to thank everyone in the > community

Re: Why I'm giving up on Django

On 9/28/06, Sean Schertell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So at the end of the day, my experience with Django started off with > a *lot* of excitement. I was thrilled because it seemed I'd found > something that met my needs exactly. But in actual usage, I found > that using django to build a

Why I'm giving up on Django

Hi Guys, I just wanted to share with the community my personal experience with Django in the hopes that maybe some of my petty gripes might be somehow helpful. Before doing that, I have to thank everyone in the community for being so helpful and just so damn nice! Thanks so much to all