Re: OODB with Django? Was Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-22 Thread mario ruggier
That's what the original motivation for it was, rapid prototyping. But also because for a specific application I needed a richly-relationshipped (tm) model, and one that does some heavy processing on many related objects, and one (with its data) that can be easily adapted and evolved. I thoug

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-21 Thread bruno desthuilliers
Tom Tobin wrote: > On 11/20/05, bruno modulix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Only data are saved to the zodb. > > > But you're still working with it solely in the form of a Python object Which is exactly what I want. > (with aforementioned methods and all). With a SQL DB, you can access > th

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-21 Thread bruno desthuilliers
mario ruggier wrote: > > Greeting everyone... > > Yes, i'd be curious too! I see MVC and OODB/SQLDB as completely > orthogonal concepts. And you're right of course !-) (snip the rest - thank for the links to moellus, I didn't knew this project). -- bruno desthuilliers développeur [EMAIL PROT

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-21 Thread bruno desthuilliers
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Sunday 20 Nov 2005 6:06 pm, bruno modulix wrote: > >>>and the reason i switched from zope/plone to django is because i >>>wanted to use postgresql >> >>I use PostgreSQL with Zope (when appropriate) without any problem. > > > sql storage with archetypes adds two ext

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Sunday 20 Nov 2005 6:06 pm, bruno modulix wrote: > > and the reason i switched from zope/plone to django is because i > > wanted to use postgresql > > I use PostgreSQL with Zope (when appropriate) without any problem. sql storage with archetypes adds two extra fields in each table - which is

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread Tom Tobin
On 11/20/05, bruno modulix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Only data are saved to the zodb. But you're still working with it solely in the form of a Python object (with aforementioned methods and all). With a SQL DB, you can access that data in a variety of ways, move it to a different database imp

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread bruno modulix
Adrian Holovaty a écrit : On 11/19/05, bruno de chez modulix en face <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I made a quick search (google, the Django wiki, this group...) on the topic (Django +zodb) but did not found anythink relevant. Did anyone ever tried ? Any pointer ? This has never been tried, to

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread bruno modulix
Tom Tobin a écrit : On 11/20/05, Cheng Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am curious to learn more about why "object DBs are not good fit for the MVC-like separation". Previously I had very basic exposure to ZODB, along with the concept of object database, when I played with Zope a bit years a

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread Tom Tobin
On 11/20/05, Cheng Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am curious to learn more about why "object DBs are not good fit for > the MVC-like separation". Previously I had very basic exposure to > ZODB, along with the concept of object database, when I played with > Zope a bit years ago. Because w

OODB with Django? Was Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread Cheng Zhang
Informative pointer! I read the introduction of Moellus. Seems to me that it offers a even quicker way of rapid prototyping. When we frequently change the model during cycles of rapid prototyping, there is no need to manually alter the tables in RDB to make it consistent with the model over

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread bruno modulix
Kenneth Gonsalves a écrit : On Sunday 20 Nov 2005 10:42 am, Tom Tobin wrote: On 11/19/05, Adrian Holovaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This has never been tried, to my knowledge. It would be possible -- and relatively easy -- to do if there were a DB-API-compliant ZODB library. Is there one? I

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread bruno modulix
Tom Tobin a écrit : On 11/19/05, Adrian Holovaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This has never been tried, to my knowledge. It would be possible -- and relatively easy -- to do if there were a DB-API-compliant ZODB library. Is there one? I know nothing about ZODB, other than the fact that it's ass

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread mario ruggier
Greeting everyone... Yes, i'd be curious too! I see MVC and OODB/SQLDB as completely orthogonal concepts. Plus, if I may add, the distinction between OODB and relational can in practice not always be so clear. In fact I know of two efforts that try to combine the benefits of both these worl

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread Cheng Zhang
I am curious to learn more about why "object DBs are not good fit for the MVC-like separation". Previously I had very basic exposure to ZODB, along with the concept of object database, when I played with Zope a bit years ago. Thanks. - Cheng On Nov 20, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Tom Tobin wrote:

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-20 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Sunday 20 Nov 2005 10:42 am, Tom Tobin wrote: > On 11/19/05, Adrian Holovaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This has never been tried, to my knowledge. It would be possible -- > > and relatively easy -- to do if there were a DB-API-compliant ZODB > > library. Is there one? I know nothing about

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-19 Thread Tom Tobin
On 11/19/05, Adrian Holovaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This has never been tried, to my knowledge. It would be possible -- > and relatively easy -- to do if there were a DB-API-compliant ZODB > library. Is there one? I know nothing about ZODB, other than the fact > that it's associated with Zop

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-19 Thread Adrian Holovaty
On 11/19/05, bruno de chez modulix en face <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I made a quick search (google, the Django wiki, this group...) on the > topic (Django +zodb) but did not found anythink relevant. Did anyone > ever tried ? Any pointer ? This has never been tried, to my knowledge. It would be

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-19 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Saturday 19 Nov 2005 7:42 pm, bruno de chez modulix en face wrote: > I made a quick search (google, the Django wiki, this group...) on the > topic (Django +zodb) but did not found anythink relevant it shows that people have inherrent good sense -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users

Re: ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-19 Thread Jeffrey E. Forcier
Jesus Christ, why would you want to use ZODB as a backend if you're not using Zope? The mind boggles ;) The closest thing I have seen is my own Django-Zope bridge, but that is more for pulling HTML generated by Django into a Zope-driven interface, and does not deal with the ZODB directly

ZODB Anyone ?

2005-11-19 Thread bruno de chez modulix en face
Hi I made a quick search (google, the Django wiki, this group...) on the topic (Django +zodb) but did not found anythink relevant. Did anyone ever tried ? Any pointer ? TIA