On Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:31 AM, Franck Martin wrote:
>> my email actually fails 98%. but who cares about me, i'm no facebook sending
>> to yahoo, right? or yahoo sending to google... or some other big sending to
>> some other big... or whatever.
> Don't publish a DMARC policy which is detrimen
On April 12, 2014 7:31:53 PM EDT, Franck Martin wrote:
>
>- Original Message -
>> From: "Vlatko Salaj"
>> To: dmarc@ietf.org
>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:54:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose
>>
>> On Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:19 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>
>>
Franck Martin wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Scott Kitterman"
To: dmarc@ietf.org
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:18:33 PM
Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: DMARC's purpose
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 15:24:48 Franck Martin wrote:
Printed on recycled paper!
On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:
- Original Message -
> From: "Vlatko Salaj"
> To: dmarc@ietf.org
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:54:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose
>
> On Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:19 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
> > When I look at the feedback I get on my DMARC reports about 90%
- Original Message -
> From: "Scott Kitterman"
> To: dmarc@ietf.org
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 2:18:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: DMARC's purpose
>
> On Saturday, April 12, 2014 15:24:48 Franck Martin wrote:
> > Printed on recycled paper!
> >
> > > On Apr 12, 2014, at 12
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:19 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> When I look at the feedback I get on my DMARC reports about 90% of the mail
> I send fails DMARC despite good SPF and DKIM deployments due to mailing lists,
> bug trackers, web site sharing, etc. For me and many others this is not abou
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 23:25:15 Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 05:18:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > When I look at the feedback I get on my DMARC reports about 90% of the
> > mail I send fails DMARC despite good SPF and DKIM deployments due to
> > mailing lists, bug track
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 05:18:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
> When I look at the feedback I get on my DMARC reports about 90% of the mail I
> send fails DMARC despite good SPF and DKIM deployments due to mailing lists,
> bug trackers, web site sharing, etc. For me and many others this is
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 15:24:48 Franck Martin wrote:
> Printed on recycled paper!
>
> > On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:25, "Scott Kitterman" wrote:
> >> On Saturday, April 12, 2014 18:30:39 Franck Martin wrote:
> >> Printed on recycled paper!
> >>
> >>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 3:59, "SM" wrote:
> >>>
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 03:24:48PM -0500, Franck Martin wrote:
> Feel free to propose a better solution.. Quickly..
It's actually not that hard. The technology already exists for
over 20 years and is widely deployed already.
Kurt
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Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 03:57:51PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
SM wrote:
Hi Franck,
At 11:30 12-04-2014, Franck Martin wrote:
http://www.trendmicro.com/cloud-content/us/pdfs/security-intelligence/white-papers/wp-spear-phishing-email-most-favored-apt-attack-bait.pdf
The ab
Printed on recycled paper!
> On Apr 12, 2014, at 12:25, "Scott Kitterman" wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 12, 2014 18:30:39 Franck Martin wrote:
>> Printed on recycled paper!
>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 3:59, "SM" wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Franck,
>>>
>>> At 13:35 10-04-2014, Franck Martin wrote:
>>
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 03:57:51PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> SM wrote:
> >Hi Franck,
> >At 11:30 12-04-2014, Franck Martin wrote:
> >>http://www.trendmicro.com/cloud-content/us/pdfs/security-intelligence/white-papers/wp-spear-phishing-email-most-favored-apt-attack-bait.pdf
> >>
> >
> >The abov
SM wrote:
Hi Franck,
At 11:30 12-04-2014, Franck Martin wrote:
http://www.trendmicro.com/cloud-content/us/pdfs/security-intelligence/white-papers/wp-spear-phishing-email-most-favored-apt-attack-bait.pdf
The above points me to an article from trendmicro.com. I was
interested in reading your
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 18:30:39 Franck Martin wrote:
> Printed on recycled paper!
>
> > On Apr 12, 2014, at 3:59, "SM" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Franck,
> >
> > At 13:35 10-04-2014, Franck Martin wrote:
> >> Some random thoughts
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >> -IETF recent focus is on pervasive moni
Hi Franck,
At 11:30 12-04-2014, Franck Martin wrote:
http://www.trendmicro.com/cloud-content/us/pdfs/security-intelligence/white-papers/wp-spear-phishing-email-most-favored-apt-attack-bait.pdf
The above points me to an article from trendmicro.com. I was
interested in reading your opinion.
Hi Miles,
At 09:23 12-04-2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Well, let's see:
- DMARC is an ad-hoc group that assembled with a "common goal was to
develop an operational specification to be introduced to the IETF
for standardization"
(http://dmarc.org/about.html)
- DMARC.org defines the "DMARC Base Sp
Dave Crocker wrote:
On 4/12/2014 9:26 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
All I can speak for is observing some rather load and vociferous
commentary, and agitation, from my BBN colleagues, many of whom were
active in IETF, during the period where GSA and DoD were trying to foist
OSI down everyone's thro
On 4/12/2014 9:26 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
All I can speak for is observing some rather load and vociferous
commentary, and agitation, from my BBN colleagues, many of whom were
active in IETF, during the period where GSA and DoD were trying to foist
OSI down everyone's throats. The technical a
On 4/12/2014 9:23 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
1. DMARC is NOT even close to an IETF standard
2. It has not been subject to any of the technical and operational
vetting associated with the progression of a specification through the
IETF standardization process
3. The means by which Yahoo has deploy
Dave Crocker wrote:
On 4/12/2014 8:52 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Dave Crocker wrote:
That's governed by operations organizations, not the IETF.
Well, yes and no.
Your lengthy treatise does not appear to contain a specific proposal.
So while the tutorial information is all well and good, how
SM wrote:
Hi Miles,
At 05:29 12-04-2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
It does strike me that DMARC, which is currently an internet-draft,
not even an RFC, is causing incredible disruption by its adoption, by
a few very large players. Methinks this indicates a serious problem,
and raises some questio
On 4/12/2014 8:52 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Dave Crocker wrote:
That's governed by operations organizations, not the IETF.
Well, yes and no.
Your lengthy treatise does not appear to contain a specific proposal.
So while the tutorial information is all well and good, how is it
relevant to t
Dave Crocker wrote:
On 4/12/2014 8:17 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Dave Crocker wrote:
On 4/12/2014 5:29 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
1. DMARC was developed by an ad hoc industry consortium. It is
already deployed well enough to cover an estminated 60% of the world's
email traffic. As such, it's s
Hi Miles,
At 05:29 12-04-2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
It does strike me that DMARC, which is currently an internet-draft,
not even an RFC, is causing incredible disruption by its adoption,
by a few very large players. Methinks this indicates a serious
problem, and raises some questions about wh
On 4/12/2014 8:17 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Dave Crocker wrote:
On 4/12/2014 5:29 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
1. DMARC was developed by an ad hoc industry consortium. It is
already deployed well enough to cover an estminated 60% of the world's
email traffic. As such, it's status with the IETF i
Dave Crocker wrote:
On 4/12/2014 5:29 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
It does strike me that DMARC, which is currently an internet-draft, not
even an RFC, is causing incredible disruption by its adoption, by a few
very large players. Methinks this indicates a serious problem, and
raises some questi
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 07:53:46AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
>
> 2. The spec is clear about how it works and what the implications are. The
> issue with mailing lists is well-documented.
I don't agree with this.
Kurt
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On 4/12/2014 5:29 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
It does strike me that DMARC, which is currently an internet-draft, not
even an RFC, is causing incredible disruption by its adoption, by a few
very large players. Methinks this indicates a serious problem, and
raises some questions about what measur
SM wrote:
Hi Jim,
At 08:47 10-04-2014, Jim Fenton wrote:
More broadly: I'm not an expert on IETF publication criteria, but I
hope that, especially given this confusion, controls are in place to
protect against the publication of informational RFCs that might be
harmful in some respect.
It has
Hi Franck,
At 13:35 10-04-2014, Franck Martin wrote:
Some random thoughts
[snip]
-IETF recent focus is on pervasive monitoring, increasing security,
prevent identity theft,... DMARC is a tool that helps, it is aligned
with IETF recent goals. It is deployed, widely used, proven
beneficia
Hi Jim,
At 08:47 10-04-2014, Jim Fenton wrote:
More broadly: I'm not an expert on IETF publication criteria, but I
hope that, especially given this confusion, controls are in place to
protect against the publication of informational RFCs that might be
harmful in some respect.
It has been menti
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