Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose

2014-04-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:42:25AM -0700, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: 2. The spec is clear about how it works and what the implications are. The issue with mailing lists is well-documented. I don't agree with this.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose

2014-04-14 Thread Terry Zink
Murray's response is the key point. Large email providers like DMARC because it helps cut down on phishing (which results in fewer compromised accounts), user complaints (which reduces support calls) and is fairly straightforward to implement (which makes the codebase more maintainable). They re

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose

2014-04-14 Thread Matt Simerson
On Apr 14, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > What would also help is: > - Implementations that actually follow the spec. So far I have > received 0 report mails that follow the specification. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Mail-DMARC/ and the report format definition: http://search.cpan.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose

2014-04-14 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:42:25AM -0700, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > 2. The spec is clear about how it works and what the implications are. > > The > > > issue with mailing lists is well-documented. > > > > I don't agree with this. >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose

2014-04-14 Thread Vlatko Salaj
On Monday, April 14, 2014 9:59 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> come on, ppl, dmarc needs to be fixed. it's broken, it doesn't work well but >> in very narrow field. > Do you have any specific suggestions as a matter of fact, yes, i do. i already mentioned including SRS in check logic. unfortu

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose

2014-04-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Vlatko Salaj wrote: > come on, ppl, dmarc needs to be fixed. it's broken, it doesn't work well > but > in very narrow field. > Do you have any specific suggestions? -MSK ___ dmarc mailing list dmarc@ietf.org https://www

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose

2014-04-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Well, let's see: > - DMARC.org defines the "DMARC Base Specification" with a link to > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-dmarc-base/ - an IETF > document > - they published an information Internet draft, that expires in Octo

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC's purpose

2014-04-14 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > 2. The spec is clear about how it works and what the implications are. > The > > issue with mailing lists is well-documented. > > I don't agree with this. > If you have any specific suggestions for how it can be improved, now would be a g