Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.

2014-06-13 Thread Matt Simerson
On Jun 13, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > On 13 Jun 2014, at 7:55, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> Just a quick reminder here: Postal mail is still going strong, after 100s >> of years. > > I don't know what it's like where you live, but here the only thing that is > keeping the post offi

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.

2014-06-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13 Jun 2014, at 7:55, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Just a quick reminder here: Postal mail is still going strong, after 100s of > years. I don't know what it's like where you live, but here the only thing that is keeping the post office afloat is being paid by advertisers to deliver unsolicit

Re: [dmarc-ietf] advice to MTAs

2014-06-13 Thread Hector Santos
> On Jun 9, 2014, at 11:17 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Perhaps I'm oversimplifying, but it has seemed self-evident that you need a > single identifier that is displayed to the end user and 5322.From is the only > identifier that even comes close to being the right one. And that comes from t

Re: [dmarc-ietf] advice to MTAs

2014-06-13 Thread Hector Santos
On Jun 8, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Terry Zink wrote: >> Hector Santos wrote: >> >>> It is mentioned in Section 6, but the mention there doesn't even say >>> that it's the DMARC result that's supposed to be recorded. That bit >>> at least needs to be fixed. >>> >>> Anyone else have a comment? > >>

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.

2014-06-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Miles Fidelman mailto:mfidel...@meetinghouse.net>> wrote: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Phillip Hallam-Baker writes: > My point is that mail is an old protocol and people who expect that > it

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.

2014-06-13 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >> Phillip Hallam-Baker writes: >> >> > My point is that mail is an old protocol and people who expect that >> > it can be kept going unaltered in its original form serving all the >> > purposes that it wa

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.

2014-06-13 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/12/2014 7:57 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Sure, but as soon as the spammers adapt and start spoofing lists, you need to check the list's signature anyway. And I don't think customers who sign up for a list will be happy with losing mail for a month. RECOMMENDATION: In principle, the L

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.

2014-06-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Phillip Hallam-Baker writes: > My point is that mail is an old protocol and people who expect that > it can be kept going unaltered in its original form serving all the > purposes that it was never designed for but have emerged over time > are going to be upset

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-dkim-delegate-00.txt

2014-06-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
John Sweet writes: > That's not an integration test. It's all automated. The answer you > want is, "Can I make money now?" This is how you get the > answer. The DMARC record is only part of the story, whether > recipients act on it or not is just as important. Well, for Author Domains publish