Re: [dmarc-ietf] Updated mandatory tag/conditional signature draft

2015-04-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull turnb...@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp wrote: Douglas Otis writes: If the DMARC domain fails to step up, then a reasonable fallback could require the display of the Sender header offering the needed alignment. I don't understand this. We

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Updated mandatory tag/conditional signature draft

2015-04-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On April 13, 2015 5:22:52 PM EDT, Rolf E. Sonneveld r.e.sonnev...@sonnection.nl wrote: On 04/13/2015 08:21 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull turnb...@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp mailto:turnb...@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp wrote: Douglas Otis writes:

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Updated mandatory tag/conditional signature draft

2015-04-13 Thread Douglas Otis
On 4/13/15 5:55 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: On Apr 13, 2015 2:22 PM, Rolf E. Sonneveld But, if this 'registration' does not apply to the 'mandatory tag draft', that means that every sender will always add the weak signature + 'fs=initial domain' and a replay attack is reduced to breaking

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Updated mandatory tag/conditional signature draft

2015-04-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Apr 13, 2015 2:22 PM, Rolf E. Sonneveld But, if this 'registration' does not apply to the 'mandatory tag draft', that means that every sender will always add the weak signature + 'fs=initial domain' and a replay attack is reduced to breaking the weak signature? You can't reuse the weak

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Updated mandatory tag/conditional signature draft

2015-04-13 Thread Douglas Otis
On 4/13/15 12:58 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Douglas Otis writes: If the DMARC domain fails to step up, then a reasonable fallback could require the display of the Sender header offering the needed alignment. I don't understand this. We already see that most professional

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Updated mandatory tag/conditional signature draft

2015-04-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Rolf E. Sonneveld writes: But, if this 'registration' does not apply to the 'mandatory tag draft', that means that every sender will always add the weak signature + 'fs=initial domain' and a replay attack is reduced to breaking the weak signature? Definitely not. Some senders may do

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Updated mandatory tag/conditional signature draft

2015-04-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Douglas Otis writes: If the DMARC domain fails to step up, then a reasonable fallback could require the display of the Sender header offering the needed alignment. I don't understand this. We already see that most professional spammers exhibit From alignment on much of their traffic.