Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread Seth Blank
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 17:26 John Levine wrote: > In article v...@mail.gmail.com> you write: > >> It doesn't say that in 4.1.2, even though it's sort of implicit since > >> i= means something else. I'd say so explicitly in a fifth bullet > >> after where it says "three (3) differences." > > >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >> It doesn't say that in 4.1.2, even though it's sort of implicit since >> i= means something else. I'd say so explicitly in a fifth bullet >> after where it says "three (3) differences." > >One of those differences says: > >* the presence of the “instance tag”. Additional

[dmarc-ietf] In support of draft-ietf-dmarc-arc-protocol-16

2018-07-31 Thread Juan Altmayer Pizzorno
Dear WG, I thought I'd chime in in support of the draft. Having implemented DKIM, SPF and various other email authentication protocols, I've chosen this time to integrate and contribute to OpenARC instead (power to the community! :)). So while I didn't implement it directly, I can't help but read

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread Seth Blank
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:13 PM, John Levine wrote: > It doesn't say that in 4.1.2, even though it's sort of implicit since > i= means something else. I'd say so explicitly in a fifth bullet > after where it says "three (3) differences." > One of those differences says: * the presence of the “

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I've added the following text as Section 4.1.4 (note fixed typos and >removal of the i= section, which is removed from ARC explicitly): It doesn't say that in 4.1.2, even though it's sort of implicit since i= means something else. I'd say so explicitly in a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread Seth Blank
I've added the following text as Section 4.1.4 (note fixed typos and removal of the i= section, which is removed from ARC explicitly): 4.1.4: Internationalized mail considerations In internationalized messages [RFC 6532] many header fields can contain UTF-8 as well as ASCII text. The changes fo

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >The appropriate place for this guidance is likely a second paragraph in 4.1 >(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmarc-arc-protocol-16#section-4.1), >as this guidance will apply to the three following header fields. > >Would you mind suggesting a paragraph to add in thi

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread Seth Blank
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:48 PM, John Levine wrote: > >So the only wording consideration under WGLC is the ABNF import with > >respect to DKIM and draft-levine-appsarea-eaiauth? > > Yes, although it's probably worth reminding people where things are > different in EAI messages. > The appropriate

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I agree ARC should be EAI-ized. > >To be clear, are you saying that once 7601bis and draft-levine-appsarea-eaiauth >are approved by the IESG and properly update 7601 and 6376, then no direct >changes are needed to the ARC spec? > >So the only wording consider

Re: [dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread Seth Blank
I agree ARC should be EAI-ized. To be clear, are you saying that once 7601bis and draft-levine-appsarea-eaiauth are approved by the IESG and properly update 7601 and 6376, then no direct changes are needed to the ARC spec? So the only wording consideration under WGLC is the ABNF import with respe

[dmarc-ietf] ARC-16 and EAI messages

2018-07-31 Thread John R Levine
I was updating my EAI-izing draft for DKIM and DMARC and realized that it would be nice not to have to update ARC, too. The gist of it is the same as what I said for DKIM: anywhere there's a domain name there can be an IDN written with U-labels (Unicode), and anywhere there's user text, the te

Re: [dmarc-ietf] WGLC on draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis-02

2018-07-31 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:09 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > > Do you have a suggestion for alternative text? > > Say: > > In that case, if the producer intent is not to harm or mislead, the > trust > in this field's content would be proportional to the estimated quality > of > the pro

Re: [dmarc-ietf] WGLC on draft-ietf-dmarc-rfc7601bis-02

2018-07-31 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 30/Jul/2018 07:58:29 +0200 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > >> *Section 1.2. "Trust Boundary"* >> That section ends with two questionable statements about A-R fields found >> in an attachment:>> >> The details