[dmarc-ietf] Abolishing DMARC policy quarantine

2019-06-11 Thread Дилян Палаузов
Dear all, when DMARC passes, there is no difference between p=reject and p=quarantine. When DMARC fails validation, this means extra work for humans. This work can be done by the sending or by the receiving organization. With p=quaratine, the sending organization (domain owner) indicates, that

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Display address, was Mandatory Sender Authentication

2019-06-11 Thread Stan Kalisch
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > > A user can then arrange her address book so as to make it clear to the MUA > > that > > a class of email addresses are equivalent to one another, in order to avoid > > meaningless alerts. > > What makes you think users want to do this extr

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Display address, was Mandatory Sender Authentication

2019-06-11 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/11/2019 1:01 PM, Дилян Палаузов wrote: Hello Alessandro, I'd propose bullets like the following for Section 12.4: o The authentication status of the message should be visible. For DMARC policy reject, the failed status will not be visible in the MUA, because the mail will not rea

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Display address, was Mandatory Sender Authentication

2019-06-11 Thread Dave Crocker
On 6/11/2019 8:12 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Mon 10/Jun/2019 22:17:01 +0200 Dave Crocker wrote: On 6/10/2019 1:17 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Sat 08/Jun/2019 18:49:03 +0200 Dave Crocker wrote: Except that most users don't actually see that address because these days most MUAs only di

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Display address, was Mandatory Sender Authentication

2019-06-11 Thread Дилян Палаузов
Hello Alessandro, > I'd propose bullets like the following for Section 12.4: > o The authentication status of the message should be visible. > For DMARC policy reject, the failed status will not be visible in the MUA, because the mail will not reach the recipient. Likewise for the policy

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC PSD and non-existent subdomains

2019-06-11 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/11/2019 11:38 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Tue 11/Jun/2019 00:41:16 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, June 10, 2019 8:07:25 AM EDT Richard C wrote: Presumably other PSDs that aren’t brand new will have this problem too? I’m interested to hear whether we’re on our own or not. As

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Display address, was Mandatory Sender Authentication

2019-06-11 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/11/2019 11:12 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Mon 10/Jun/2019 22:17:01 +0200 Dave Crocker wrote: On 6/10/2019 1:17 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: On Sat 08/Jun/2019 18:49:03 +0200 Dave Crocker wrote: Except that most users don't actually see that address because these days most MUAs only d

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC PSD and non-existent subdomains

2019-06-11 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Tue 11/Jun/2019 00:41:16 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, June 10, 2019 8:07:25 AM EDT Richard C wrote: > >> Presumably other PSDs that aren’t brand new will have this problem too? I’m >> interested to hear whether we’re on our own or not. > > As written, DMARC (RFC 7489) has the opt

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Display address, was Mandatory Sender Authentication

2019-06-11 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 10/Jun/2019 21:23:26 +0200 Hector Santos wrote: > On 6/10/2019 4:17 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >> On Sat 08/Jun/2019 18:49:03 +0200 Dave Crocker wrote: >> >>> Except that most users don't actually see that address because these days >>> most >>> MUAs only display the display address. >> >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Display address, was Mandatory Sender Authentication

2019-06-11 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 10/Jun/2019 22:17:01 +0200 Dave Crocker wrote: > On 6/10/2019 1:17 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >> On Sat 08/Jun/2019 18:49:03 +0200 Dave Crocker wrote: >> >>> Except that most users don't actually see that address because these days >>> most >>> MUAs only display the display address. >> >>

Re: [dmarc-ietf] PSDs in draft-ietf-dmarc-psd

2019-06-11 Thread Hollenbeck, Scott
From: dmarc On Behalf Of Kurt Andersen (b) Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 9:08 PM To: Scott Kitterman Cc: dmarc@ietf.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [dmarc-ietf] PSDs in draft-ietf-dmarc-psd On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 6:31 AM Scott Kitterman mailto:skl...@kitterman.com>> wrote: On Friday, June