Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, June 5, 2020 5:26:19 PM EDT Jim Fenton wrote: > On 6/4/20 10:39 PM, Dotzero wrote: > > The goal of DMARC was (and is) to mitigate direct domain abuse. > > Nothing more and nothing less. It helps receiving systems identify a > > (correctly) participating domain's mail. That is why a DMARC

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-05 Thread Jim Fenton
On 6/4/20 10:39 PM, Dotzero wrote: > > The goal of DMARC was (and is) to mitigate direct domain abuse. > Nothing more and nothing less. It helps receiving systems identify a > (correctly) participating domain's mail. That is why a DMARC policy is > often described as a sending domain's request and

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-05 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Fri 05/Jun/2020 13:45:18 +0200 Hector Santos wrote: > On 6/5/2020 6:34 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >> > >> For completeness, I'd also mention conditional signatures, as a fifth point. >> They were specified, implemented and then abandoned in lieu of ARC. > > h, interesting. Where was the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

2020-06-05 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/5/2020 1:39 AM, Dotzero wrote: The goal of DMARC was (and is) to mitigate direct domain abuse. +1, it was the goal of: [1] The original proof of concept with DomainKeys' built-in o= policy tag for 1st party support, and [2] The original DKIM draft augmented with the original SSP dra

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-05 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/5/2020 6:34 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: 4) Require all recipient systems to make special policy accommodations to grant trust to messages from List B, simply because it comes from List B. This is feasible, but specific to each participants incoming email filter. This is a hindrance t

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-05 Thread Hector Santos
On 6/4/2020 6:31 AM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: MAILING LISTS. The mailing list problem can be stated as follows: * Domain B wants to operate a mailing list. * The list owner will accept messages from domain A, alter them, then re-transmit the altered message to member C. * List owner B

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields D

2020-06-05 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 04/Jun/2020 12:31:51 +0200 Douglas E. Foster wrote: > MAILING LISTS. > > The mailing list problem can be stated as follows: > > * Domain B wants to operate a mailing list. > * The list owner will accept messages from domain A, alter them, then > re-transmit the altered message to m