Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #11 (and #112) - Proposed language

2021-06-17 Thread Douglas Foster
Yes, The test should most certainly define how MX="." and SPF="-ALL" affect the test. This is why I said that the test needs a more complete definition, but many were unwilling to even address that part of the problem. Even with those modifications, the test is only applicable for names that are

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #11 (and #112) - Proposed language

2021-06-17 Thread Douglas Foster
This is frustrating. NP is a new design and the design issues should have been discussed before we got to this point. I don't know why so many people are eager to not define the new technology. There seems to be an unwillingness to acknowledge the current state of the email ecosystem. There s

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #11 (and #112) - Proposed language

2021-06-17 Thread John R Levine
However, by that definition a domain with a Null MX [RFC7505] is an existent domain for DMARC purposes. True, but so what? If you want to do a DMARC alignment check, you do it the same way as for any other domain. For the umpteenth time, DMARC is not the magic anti-spam bullet, and you conti

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Consensus Sought - Ticket #82 (Deprecate rf= and maybe fo= tag) - With Interim Notes

2021-06-17 Thread Todd Herr
I have closed the subject ticket and incorporated relevant text changes in draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-02, which will be published on Datatracker as soon as the chairs have a chance to do so. On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 8:32 PM Steven M Jones wrote: > On 5/28/21 08:47, Todd Herr wrote: > > > Consensus

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Consensus Sought - Ticket #54 (Limits on recipients per report) - With Interim Notes

2021-06-17 Thread Todd Herr
I have closed the subject ticket and incorporated relevant text changes in draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-02, which will be published on Datatracker as soon as the chairs have a chance to do so. On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 8:59 PM Steven M Jones wrote: > On 5/28/21 08:46, Todd Herr wrote: > > > Consensus

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Consensus Sought - Ticket #53 (Remove reporting message size chunking) - With Interim Notes

2021-06-17 Thread Todd Herr
I have closed the subject ticket and incorporated relevant text changes in draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-02, which will be published on Datatracker as soon as the chairs have a chance to do so. On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:32 AM Alessandro Vesely wrote: > Thank you Steve, this confirms size limits are a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Consensus Sought - Ticket #50 (Remove ri= tag) - With Interim Notes

2021-06-17 Thread Todd Herr
I have closed the subject ticket and incorporated relevant text changes in draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-02, which will be published on Datatracker as soon as the chairs have a chance to do so. On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 8:30 PM Steven M Jones wrote: > On 5/28/21 08:43, Todd Herr wrote: > > > Consensus

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Consensus Sought - Ticket #47 (Removal of "pct" tag) - With Interim Notes

2021-06-17 Thread Todd Herr
I have closed the subject ticket and incorporated relevant text changes in draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-02, which will be published on Datatracker as soon as the chairs have a chance to do so. The relevant text changes here include clarification of the meaning of the pct tag as well as a much longer

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Consensus Sought - Ticket #4 (Definition of "fo" parameter) - With Interim Notes

2021-06-17 Thread Todd Herr
I have closed the subject ticket and incorporated relevant text changes in draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-02, which will be published on Datatracker as soon as the chairs have a chance to do so. On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 8:29 PM Steven M Jones wrote: > On 5/28/21 08:43, Todd Herr wrote: > > > Consensus

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #11 (and #112) - Proposed language

2021-06-17 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Wed 16/Jun/2021 20:02:21 +0200 John Levine wrote: Let's close ticket #112 and stop. I agree that the definition given in the PSD is clear enough: For DMARC purposes, a non-existent domain is a domain for which there is an NXDOMAIN or NODATA response for A, , and MX records. This

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Ticket #11 (and #112) - Proposed language

2021-06-17 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
I continue to not understand the defect you're highlighting here. I think you've expressed yourself primarily in the abstract. Could you craft a sample message, sample envelope, and sample DNS context that highlights the problem you're talking about? Maybe then it'll snap into focus. On Wed, Ju