Re: [dmarc-ietf] Topic for IETF 112 - Policy Discovery

2021-10-26 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >For a 'normal' domain/sub-domain like eml.example.com where the domain has a >DMARC policy, every single implementation approach gives the >same answer, so it doesn't matter. The challenge is getting all the other >cases right. > >Until we understand what

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Topic for IETF 112 - Policy Discovery

2021-10-26 Thread Douglas Foster
I was surprised to see that #111 and #112, about the definition of NP, survived to be included in this policy discussion. I remain strongly opposed to an NP policy based on A//MX.A brief recap: - A non-existent domain test should be based on a DNS query that returns NXDomain, not NODATA.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Topic for IETF 112 - Policy Discovery

2021-10-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On October 26, 2021 9:03:15 PM UTC, Todd Herr wrote: >On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:07 PM Scott Kitterman >wrote: > >> >> What does "an agreed-upon level in the DNS hierarchy" mean? The >> organizational domain is the current "agreed-upon level". Is this the >> same or >> something different?

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Topic for IETF 112 - Policy Discovery

2021-10-26 Thread Todd Herr
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 5:03 PM Todd Herr wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:07 PM Scott Kitterman > wrote: > >> >> What does "an agreed-upon level in the DNS hierarchy" mean? The >> organizational domain is the current "agreed-upon level". Is this the >> same or >> something different? We kn

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Topic for IETF 112 - Policy Discovery

2021-10-26 Thread Todd Herr
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:07 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > What does "an agreed-upon level in the DNS hierarchy" mean? The > organizational domain is the current "agreed-upon level". Is this the > same or > something different? We know you can't do this by counting dots in a > domain > name.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Topic for IETF 112 - Policy Discovery

2021-10-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, October 25, 2021 3:30:19 PM EDT Todd Herr wrote: > Greetings. > > There are, by my count, eleven tickets that are primarily focused on or at > least touch on the issue of policy discovery. A specialized query for them > is at this URL - https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dmarc/report/15 > > Th