Re: [dmarc-ietf] 5.7.2.1. DMARC Policy Discovery - How to handle a missing policy

2022-01-04 Thread Douglas Foster
There are two possible approaches to DMARC. One approach says that FAIL should be reliably true, and non-FAIL for any reason is ambiguous. This means that domain owners should only publish a reject policy when there is no possibility that their messages pass through mailing list or any other

[dmarc-ietf] Fwd: Section 5 - DKIM-only authentication

2022-01-04 Thread Douglas Foster
Correction. I should have said that Ken Driscoll was correct, when he said that SPF NONE was a commonplace way of making DMARC into a one-sided test. DF -- Forwarded message - From: Douglas Foster Date: Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Section 5 -

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Section 5 - DKIM-only authentication

2022-01-04 Thread Dave Crocker
On 1/4/2022 6:42 AM, Tobias Herkula wrote: One big thing missing in the Discussion are Receiver obligations, I encountered a lof of Mailbox Providers that demand a valid and concise SPF record, and in this case the Sender has no way to state that he requires DKIM signatures for DMARC, the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Section 5 - DKIM-only authentication

2022-01-04 Thread Douglas Foster
Tobias is correct. When I checked my message log, I had no trouble finding messages with SPF=none, aligned DKIM=verified, and DMARC policy exists. "store.apple.com" is one example. We need to acknowledge that this has become standard practice. Nonetheless, a protocol should not depend on

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Section 5 - DKIM-only authentication

2022-01-04 Thread John Levine
It appears that Tobias Herkula said: >the often stated argument of simply not publishing SPF records if a Sender >wants DKIM-only >DMARC is not a viable solution in the real world. If your SPF record accurately describes the sources of your mail, can you explain why it would be a problem for

Re: [dmarc-ietf] 5.7.2.1. DMARC Policy Discovery - How to handle a missing policy

2022-01-04 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 8:33 AM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > I suggest the language should be more like this: > > If the set produced by the DNS Tree Walk contains no DMARC policy record > (i.e., any indication that there is no such record as opposed to a >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Section 5 - DKIM-only authentication

2022-01-04 Thread Tobias Herkula
One big thing missing in the Discussion are Receiver obligations, I encountered a lof of Mailbox Providers that demand a valid and concise SPF record, and in this case the Sender has no way to state that he requires DKIM signatures for DMARC, the often stated argument of simply not publishing

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Section 5 - DKIM-only authentication

2022-01-04 Thread Ken O'Driscoll
Organisations using DKIM-only (also SFP-only) with an enforcing DMARC policy are more common than you may think. While some configurations are perhaps in error, many I have encountered are deliberate decisions based on specific use cases. For example, I have a finance house that uses