Re: [dmarc-ietf] easier DKIM, DMARC2 & SPF Dependency Removal

2023-06-29 Thread Tero Kivinen
Alessandro Vesely writes: > On Mon 26/Jun/2023 19:32:53 +0200 Douglas Foster wrote: > > DKIM+SPF says "our domain, including subdomains covered by this policy, > > will never use an ESP". (Since most ESP messages pass SPF based on the ESP > > domain) That is incorrect. It would also mean we will

Re: [dmarc-ietf] easier DKIM, DMARC2 & SPF Dependency Removal

2023-06-29 Thread Barry Leiba
Chair speaking and agreeing. While I do not think it's out of scope to think about how DKIM replay attacks affect DMARC, I think it is out of scope to design DMARC to address DKIM replay attacks. These two things are very close to each other, and we're going to have to be careful about it. But

Re: [dmarc-ietf] easier DKIM, DMARC2 & SPF Dependency Removal

2023-06-29 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 4:18 AM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > But I don't have a solution for ESP messages that use DKIM to authorize > the From, but use their own domain for SPF Pas on Mail From. That > requires tying the signature to the server and/or Mail

Re: [dmarc-ietf] easier DKIM, DMARC2 & SPF Dependency Removal

2023-06-29 Thread Douglas Foster
But I don't have a solution for ESP messages that use DKIM to authorize the From, but use their own domain for SPF Pas on Mail From. That requires tying the signature to the server and/or Mail From domain using a signature token On Thu, Jun 29, 2023, 1:25 AM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On