Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-17 Thread Douglas Foster
I am not claiming any particular knowledge of the universe of all implementations. All I know is that if my user's want a mailing list exempted from DMARC enforcement, all they have to do is ask, and that is the way it should be most everywhere. If the mailing list problem was unique to AOL

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-17 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 2:47 PM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > We have established that the normative implementation of DMARC is > (unfortunately) a fully-automated solution which implements RFC 7489 > exactly and nothing more. > Sure, but why would you do that,

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-17 Thread Douglas Foster
We have established that the normative implementation of DMARC is (unfortunately) a fully-automated solution which implements RFC 7489 exactly and nothing more. These implementations block unconditionally on Fail with Reject, and have minimal effect on disposition otherwise. With any level of

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-17 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 11:04 AM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > You misunderstsnd my position. I don't expect a world where perfect > information is dropped in my lap without any effort on my part. Not now, > not ever. > > I have determined, by measurement, that

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-17 Thread Douglas Foster
You misunderstsnd my position. I don't expect a world where perfect information is dropped in my lap without any effort on my part. Not now, not ever. I have determined, by measurement, that unauthenticated mail is a much smaller percentage of all mail than one might expect. This makes

Re: [dmarc-ietf] not demunging yet, Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28

2023-09-17 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >Thanks. That's helpful. > >I interpret that as confirming my view that there is not currently a >reasonable >technical solution available. While these may be promising for the future, >it's not like any of those solutions are things that are currently

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2023-09-17 Thread John Levine
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