Re: [dmarc-ietf] DBOUND

2023-10-22 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 8:35 PM Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > The reference to DBOUND was sparked by looking around at what w3aawg was > saying as I generally think they have some good papers and a great video > series on email authentication. But what I found on DBOUND isn’t > endorsement. They

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DBOUND

2023-10-16 Thread Neil Anuskiewicz
On Oct 16, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > > >> On Oct 16, 2023, at 6:43 PM, Seth Blank >> wrote: >>  >> I'm sorry, to what are you referring? I co-chair the M3AAWG technical >> committee, and am unaware of any advocacy for relitigating DBOUND... Seth, I based my statement on

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DBOUND

2023-10-16 Thread John Levine
It appears that Neil Anuskiewicz said: >-=-=-=-=-=- >See section V Enaging with DBOUND is not the same thing as advocating that DBOUND do anything specific. Everyone agrees the PSL is awful, including the people who maintain it. But there's no agreement at all about what would be better.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DBOUND

2023-10-16 Thread Neil Anuskiewicz
See section VOn Oct 16, 2023, at 6:43 PM, Seth Blank wrote:I'm sorry, to what are you referring? I co-chair the M3AAWG technical committee, and am unaware of any advocacy for relitigating DBOUND...On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 6:36 PM Neil Anuskiewicz 40marmot-tech@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:M3AAWG is

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DBOUND

2023-10-16 Thread Neil Anuskiewicz
On Oct 16, 2023, at 6:43 PM, Seth Blank wrote:I'm sorry, to what are you referring? I co-chair the M3AAWG technical committee, and am unaware of any advocacy for relitigating DBOUND...On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 6:36 PM Neil Anuskiewicz 40marmot-tech@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:M3AAWG is advocating

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DBOUND

2023-10-16 Thread Seth Blank
I'm sorry, to what are you referring? I co-chair the M3AAWG technical committee, and am unaware of any advocacy for relitigating DBOUND... On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 6:36 PM Neil Anuskiewicz wrote: > M3AAWG is advocating for DBOUND as most of you likely know. Does it seem a > viable alternative?

[dmarc-ietf] DBOUND

2023-10-16 Thread Neil Anuskiewicz
M3AAWG is advocating for DBOUND as most of you likely know. Does it seem a viable alternative? We could sure use the support of M3AAWG. How could we earn their support or are they committed to DBOUND? Perhaps once we prove that DMARCbis works they’ll reconsider. Neil

[dmarc-ietf] DBOUND

2022-06-18 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Some time back there was an attempt to solve the PSL problem in DNS via a Domain Boundaries (DBOUND) working group. It was not successful, unable to develop consensus among several options, and the working group closed having not produced anything. The WG page:

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [dbound] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-dcrocker-dns-perimeter-00.txt

2019-04-03 Thread Dave Crocker
On 4/3/2019 12:19 PM, tjw ietf wrote: I was going to say CAA but that’s 6 years old. 5 was a random number. I was merely meaning 'recent'. But suggesting CAA in response to my query means that you think RFC 6844 has received widespread -- ie, at scale -- end to end adoption and use. Yes?

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [dbound] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-dcrocker-dns-perimeter-00.txt

2019-04-03 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 03/04/2019 21:19, Jothan Frakes wrote: >> ... registrar >> GUIs are perhaps the main barrier for new RRTYPEs ... > > s/registrar/DNS Management/ > > these are often not one in the same - and the only reason I make that > pedantic distinction is that the frequent situation where > DNS

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [dbound] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-dcrocker-dns-perimeter-00.txt

2019-04-03 Thread Jothan Frakes
> ... registrar > GUIs are perhaps the main barrier for new RRTYPEs ... s/registrar/DNS Management/ these are often not one in the same - and the only reason I make that pedantic distinction is that the frequent situation where DNS Management != registrar heavily impedes DNSSEC end-to-end

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [dbound] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-dcrocker-dns-perimeter-00.txt

2019-04-03 Thread Stephen Farrell
Far from widely deployed, but the latest ESNI draft introduced a new RRTYPE from an experimental range, and it "just worked," which was a pleasant surprise for me. (And is partly why I am happy to try that route for RDBD.) "just worked" here meaning: no registrar web-GUI involved, but whacking

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [dbound] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-dcrocker-dns-perimeter-00.txt

2019-04-03 Thread Jothan Frakes
I appreciate the time you invested in this Dave. I definitely like that we're thinking in terms of how to leverage DNS and its distributed model vs emulating the hosts.txt situation, and PSL is essentially a hosts.txt situation. Some assert there is a benefit to being able to contain some form

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [dbound] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-dcrocker-dns-perimeter-00.txt

2019-04-03 Thread Dave Crocker
On 4/3/2019 11:45 AM, John R Levine wrote: On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Dave Crocker wrote: In my experience, these days getting a new rrtype that doesn't have extra semantics into DNS servers happens pretty quickly. Now, about /end to end/ support, not just publishing... Please provide some

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [dbound] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-dcrocker-dns-perimeter-00.txt

2019-04-03 Thread John R Levine
On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Dave Crocker wrote: Section 7's suggestion for using Additional information does not rely on caching. Reliance on existing wildcard depends on propagation of a new RR, which continues to be problematic. There's a reason the Attrleaf table has so many entries... Now

Re: [dmarc-ietf] [dbound] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-dcrocker-dns-perimeter-00.txt

2019-04-03 Thread Dave Crocker
On 4/3/2019 10:58 AM, John Levine wrote: In article <3bebe973-0536-96cd-983e-240ba4346...@dcrocker.net> you write: Comments eagerly sought, of course. This seems sorta kinda like my dbound draft, only with _tagged TXT records rather than a new rrtype, and (unless I missed something) a hope