Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Forensic report loops are not

2021-02-03 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 2 Feb 2021, Alessandro Vesely wrote: Whatever mechanisms are used, servers MUST contain provisions for detecting and stopping trivial loops. I can tell you from bitter experience that rate limiting is the *ONLY* reliable way to stop trivial loops. Whatever e

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Forensic report loops are not

2021-02-02 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 01/Feb/2021 17:29:23 +0100 John R Levine wrote: 3.3.  Transport   Email streams carrying DMARC failure reports MUST conform to the   DMARC mechanism, thereby resulting in an aligned "pass".  Special   care must be taken of authentication, as failure to authenticate   failure reports may r

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Forensic report loops are not

2021-02-01 Thread Dotzero
On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 3:02 PM John Levine wrote: > In article <49b248dc-91a7-7f2d-ba28-72fe8d6d3...@tana.it> you write: > >Rate limiting usually implies a number of buckets. They are managed by > >imposing limits per time periods, which can be either server-global or > per > >bucket. Normally

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Forensic report loops are not

2021-02-01 Thread John R Levine
3.3. Transport Email streams carrying DMARC failure reports MUST conform to the DMARC mechanism, thereby resulting in an aligned "pass". Special care must be taken of authentication, as failure to authenticate failure reports may result in mail loops. Reporters SHOULD rate limit the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Forensic report loops are not

2021-02-01 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 31/Jan/2021 21:02:38 +0100 John Levine wrote: In article <49b248dc-91a7-7f2d-ba28-72fe8d6d3...@tana.it> you write: Rate limiting usually implies a number of buckets. They are managed by imposing limits per time periods, which can be either server-global or per bucket. Normally, for MSA

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Forensic report loops are not

2021-01-31 Thread John Levine
In article <49b248dc-91a7-7f2d-ba28-72fe8d6d3...@tana.it> you write: >Rate limiting usually implies a number of buckets. They are managed by >imposing limits per time periods, which can be either server-global or per >bucket. Normally, for MSA usage, one has one bucket per user. I have never

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Forensic report loops are not

2021-01-31 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sat 30/Jan/2021 13:51:56 +0100 Douglas Foster wrote: Interesting point. [...] The spec is confusing because it says (a) failure reports should be sent immediately, (b) failure reports should be aggregated, and (c) failure reports should be throttled but without specifying a limit. I wonder i

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Forensic report loops are not

2021-01-30 Thread Douglas Foster
Interesting point. In your experience, how often does reporting produce any change in sender behavior? I have made attempts both to help senders correct their own SPF or DMARC policy, or to get them to stop violating my DMARC policy. As best I can recall, my success rate has been zero. For a r

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Report bombing is a prolem, Forensic report loops are not

2021-01-29 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >3.3. Transport > >Email streams carrying DMARC failure reports MUST conform to the >DMARC mechanism, thereby resulting in an aligned "pass". Special >care must be taken of authentication, as failure to authenticate >failure reports may provoke further repor