Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-25 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: As I read 5.3, it says you need to make sure what you sign is what the verifier will receive. It seems to me a signer that gets 8-bit header fields can RFC2047-ize them before signing, presuming the MTA will make the same conversion before putting the signed

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com So, maybe a header canonicalization that has as one of its steps conversion of all Subject fields to something RFC2047-compatible? On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:39 PM, John Bucy jb...@google.com wrote: The scenario

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:25 PM, John Bucy jb...@google.com wrote: An mta could opt to send a message with unencoded utf8 headers (display name, subject, etc) to another peer advertising SMTPUTF8 even if none of the envelope were internationalized addresses.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Murray S. Kucherawy writes: On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: AFAICS use of the SMTPUTF8 extension is incompatible with DKIM signatures. See sec. 5.3 of RFC 6376. Do you have a suggestion in mind? Conform to RFC 6376.wink /

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: OK, but is it folly to consider a header canonicalization that can handle this? DKIM is designed to accommodate incremental improvements, after all. Sec. 5.3 isn't, though. :-( As I read 5.3, it says you

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: An mta could opt to send a message with unencoded utf8 headers (display name, subject, etc) to another peer advertising SMTPUTF8 even if none of the envelope were internationalized addresses. If the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org To: Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com Cc: dmarc@ietf.org, John Bucy jb...@google.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:17:47 AM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
So, maybe a header canonicalization that has as one of its steps conversion of all Subject fields to something RFC2047-compatible? On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:39 PM, John Bucy jb...@google.com wrote: The scenario I had in mind was: - B advertises SMTPUTF8 but relays to C which does not - A

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-23 Thread John Bucy
Based on a quick glance, it doesn't look like draft-kucherawy-dkim-list-canon-00 addresses encoded headers like rfc2047. An mta could opt to send a message with unencoded utf8 headers (display name, subject, etc) to another peer advertising SMTPUTF8 even if none of the envelope were

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-23 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:25 PM, John Bucy jb...@google.com wrote: Based on a quick glance, it doesn't look like draft-kucherawy-dkim-list-canon-00 addresses encoded headers like rfc2047. An mta could opt to send a message with unencoded utf8 headers (display name, subject, etc) to another

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-20 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
Not yet. I don't think there are any implementations. We were just banging the idea around. I'm looking at doing one soon for OpenDKIM as an experimental add-on. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:25 AM, John Bucy jb...@google.com wrote: Hadn't seen that ID, cool! Is there any test data available?

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-20 Thread John Bucy
Hadn't seen that ID, cool! Is there any test data available? cheers john On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com wrote: There was one proposed: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-dkim-list-canon-00 This working group will be discussing this and

Re: [dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-19 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
There was one proposed: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kucherawy-dkim-list-canon-00 This working group will be discussing this and other options before long. -MSK On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:45 PM, John Bucy jb...@google.com wrote: I was glad to see mention of content-transfer-encoding

[dmarc-ietf] interoperability issues around gateway-transformation

2015-03-19 Thread John Bucy
I was glad to see mention of content-transfer-encoding issues in draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability since gateway-transformation breaks dkim signatures. Is there any interest in trying to develop a mime-aware canonicalization for dkim? cheers john ___