Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-08 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Dino, > -Original Message- > From: Dino Farinacci [mailto:farina...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 4:35 PM > To: Templin, Fred L > Cc: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) ; i...@ietf.org; dmm > > Subject: Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-07 Thread Dino Farinacci
> AERO uses IPv6 Neighbor Discovery as its control-plane. Surely that is the > most mature? Yes when used in a layer-2 subnet. Uses in a wider scope it has NHRP properties. If you remember we had something called LISP-EMACS (thanks John Curran) which we “ARPed a Map-Request over a layer 3 mul

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-07 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi Dino, > -Original Message- > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dino Farinacci > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 3:38 PM > To: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) > Cc: i...@ietf.org; dmm > Subject: Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for &

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-02 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Thank you Fred. There is a reason for mobile architectures shifting towards CP-UP split architecture (Ref: DMM WG documents + 3GPP CUPS), and the stated goal of further simplification in the mobile user plane (Reference: 3GPP CT4 Study item and 3GPP Liaison statement to DMM). Now, it will be goo

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-02 Thread Templin, Fred L
Hi, please add AERO to the list: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-aerolink/ AERO does IPv6 ND over tunnels, and supports mobility via dynamic neighbor cache updates the same as any IPv6 link. Use cases include (but are not limited to): - Enterprise mobile devices (cellphones, table

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Absolutely! A programmable data plane what FPC interface is offering, keeps the CUPS objectives. Sri On 2/1/18, 5:07 PM, "ila on behalf of Marco Liebsch" wrote: >I think we should rather relax the dependency between control and data >plane. If we treat the data plane as nodes which enforce poli

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Tom, Last I remember, we gave one “generic” and an access agnostic protocol in the form MIPv6/PMIPv6, they never got it and never cared. But, if you can sell it to 3GPP, this new control-plane that goes into user-plane, I am with you. :-) Sri On 2/1/18, 4:57 PM, "Tom Herbert" wrote: >O

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Marco Liebsch
I think we should rather relax the dependency between control and data plane. If we treat the data plane as nodes which enforce policies (encap, recap, re-write, etc), any c plane may suit and enforce suitable policies in the selected data plane nodes, e.g. by utilizing the DMM group’s FPC mode

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Tom Herbert
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote: >> One thing to add. LISP has a more mature control-plane mapping system. >>ILA has a recent proposal for its control-plane. > > Mobility architectures started with a unified CP/UP approach, then the > industry thought its a great id

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
> One thing to add. LISP has a more mature control-plane mapping system. >ILA has a recent proposal for its control-plane. Mobility architectures started with a unified CP/UP approach, then the industry thought its a great idea to move the Control-plane out, and reduce the state in the User-plane,

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Dino Farinacci
One thing to add. LISP has a more mature control-plane mapping system. ILA has a recent proposal for its control-plane. Dino > On Feb 1, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) > wrote: > > Thank you Dino. > > WG - Same comments for this draft. LISP is another LOC-ID proposal, with > m

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Thank you Dino. WG - Same comments for this draft. LISP is another LOC-ID proposal, with many common attributes (if I may say, like two twins) shared with ILA; some differences in how the Locator (COA) and identifier (HOA) spaces are defined/used/managed, and with one key difference of tunnelin

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Dino Farinacci
> ILA is one of the proposals on the table. This is not an adoption call at > this time, but asking the WG to review and open up some discussions that > will help IETF understand the problem/solutions, and pick the right > solution(s) for this problem statement. If there is interest and if the > wo

Re: [DMM] [Ila] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-herbert-ila-mobile-00.txt

2018-02-01 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Thank you Tom and Kalyani for your submission. WG - During the adoption of draft-matsushima-spring-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane, we did say that we will consider alternative approaches for the problem statement around mobile user-plane optimization, and that we will not limit to SRv6 as the only option.