Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-20 Thread Giovanna Carofiglio (gcarofig)
This draft is about hICN and discusses various deployment options with associated pros and cons, without supporting one specifically. Clearly, depending on application requirements, on network constraints, on phase of deployment/transition etc. one option may be preferrable over another one (a

Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-20 Thread Luca Muscariello
More on the mobility use case which also makes deployment options easier to digest https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-auge-dmm-hicn-mobility/ On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 4:33 PM Giovanna Carofiglio (gcarofig) < gcaro...@cisco.com> wrote: > This draft is about hICN and discusses various deployme

Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-20 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Giovanna Carofiglio (gcarofig) < gcaro...@cisco.com> wrote: > This draft is about hICN and discusses various deployment options with > associated pros and cons, without supporting one specifically. Clearly, > depending on application requirements, on network const

Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-20 Thread Tom Herbert
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Luca Muscariello wrote: > More on the mobility use case which also makes deployment options easier to > digest > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-auge-dmm-hicn-mobility/ > >From the draft: "The goal of hICN is to ease ICN insertion in existing IP infrastr

Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-20 Thread Luca Muscariello
The adjective minor is used in a comparative way. At least I intended that way. hICN allows to implement ICN features with less changes than using ICN as an overlay. On an absolute scale, I don't think that hICN requires negligible changes. So I haven't used the adjective minor as a synonym of negl

Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-20 Thread Luca Muscariello
I am sorry but I'm not sure I get your question right. I am not sure SRv6 is just a tunnelling technique but I am not right person to talk about that. We do mention SRv6 in the draft to show how hICN can use it to steer the next-hop path for the request carrying the ID in the DST addr field and f

Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-20 Thread Tom Herbert
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Luca Muscariello wrote: > The adjective minor is used in a comparative way. At least I intended that > way. > hICN allows to implement ICN features with less changes than using ICN as an > overlay. > On an absolute scale, I don't think that hICN requires negligible

Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-21 Thread Luca Muscariello
There are several points raised here: 1) Alleged protocol layering violations and the e2e principle. 2) Relationship between the OS and transport services. 1) Many see the e2e principle as another instance of Occam's razor applied to communication protocols function placement, I think it is even

Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-21 Thread Tom Herbert
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 3:29 AM, Luca Muscariello wrote: > There are several points raised here: > 1) Alleged protocol layering violations and the e2e principle. > 2) Relationship between the OS and transport services. > > > 1) Many see the e2e principle as another instance of Occam's razor applie

Re: [DMM] [Int-area] New draft posted: Anchorless mobility management through hICN (hICN-AMM): Deployment options

2018-06-22 Thread Luca Muscariello
These solutions are not all isomorphic and comparison requires some careful taxonomy first. The -01 version of the draft Kalyani is taking care of will include that and will definitely help to compare things. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane Let's wai