On 22 December 2014 at 19:26, Jaromil wrote:
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> Dear Init Freedom lovers,
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> Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you!
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Thanks for the updates, it's delightful to hear that things are happening.
On the mailing list we didn't have any discussions about these updates
like
Not wanting to be a TPM promoter or mailing-list-linguist, but i see even
more problems with the writings on TPM here:
I see rhetorical questions used fold uninformed opinations into an
invagination of ignorance on this mailing list.
( ie: "What can it do in the right? Nothing...")
Also, I see an
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 05:23:30PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
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> On 12/22/2014 3:44 PM, Joe Awni wrote:
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> >IMO, the amplitude of potential TPM-nightmare scenarios should give a clue
> >about the strength of the technology.
> >IE: If it can do that in the "wrong-hands," what can it do in t
On 12/22/2014 3:44 PM, Joe Awni wrote:
IMO, the amplitude of potential TPM-nightmare scenarios should give a
clue about the strength of the technology.
IE: If it can do that in the "wrong-hands," what can it do in the right?
Hi Joe!
What can it do in the right? Nothing that can't be done
OK, at first i was a bit concerned that i would be off topic in the
Packaging system thread, but i have read so much misinformed
fear-mongering, that i decide to clear this up with it's own thread.
First, let me be the first to say i am not the person to explain TPM
technology or crypto primitives
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014, T.J. Duchene wrote:
While in these two cases, it isn't necessarily TPM, people using
devices accept this control ideology blithely today with Apple iOS
and Windows RT. Frankly, it turns my stomach.
I suppose I should be a little more fair. I'm not sure about Apple, as
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 01:05:23PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 09:12:09AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > This mailing list is now available on gmane.org, a email-to-usenet
> > bidirectional gateway.
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> > The archives have not yet been posted there.
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> > I would nee
Am 2014-12-22 um 18:26 schrieb Jaromil:
Thanks for the huge update and all your efforts so far!
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2014, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> An example of TPM gone bad would be the fact that you can structure
> a computer system around TPM so that only the manufacturer, rather
> than the actual owner of the device decides what software you can
> use and how.
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> While in these two cases, it i
On 12/22/2014 12:05 PM, Joe Awni wrote:
>Yep, also Poettering is a big fan and supporter of TPM, and stated on a
>recent podcast (that was linked in this list I think) something along the
>lines of "Once we all run systemd, TPM will finally work properly."
TPM of
>course is the continuation of
Hi,
If by any chance this match any of the devuan expectations and
requirements, I repost here
a link to a logo based on the debian swirl with a "galaxy look" I made
recently:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan_swirl_logo.png
The requirements for this design was:
- fork the de
If I might add my two cents on the whole issue of Lennart, systemd and
package systems? While I do not believe in character assassination, I
do critique. Please do not bother reading if you want short answers or
polite remarks.
On Lennart:
Who cares what Lennart Poettering thinks? For that
>Yep, also Poettering is a big fan and supporter of TPM, and stated on a
>recent podcast (that was linked in this list I think) something along the
>lines of "Once we all run systemd, TPM will finally work properly." TPM of
>course is the continuation of the Clipper Chip, but dolled up to get the
>
Dear Init Freedom lovers,
Once again the Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you!
You are receiving this mail as an update on the progress of the
Devuan.org project, born out of the Debianfork.org declaration to
defend our growing community from the systemd avalanche.
Today's update is quite
On 12/22/2014 11:04 AM, Jaromil wrote:
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> There is a lot going on on this project and a new monthly press release
> is almost ready now. We will address this in it too. If you have any
> other reasonable suggestion on steps we can take to give peace of mind
> to this man, please let us know an
dear Ayan,
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014, Ayan George wrote:
> To be clear: I used "hate" as a rhetorical device. Although there is
> a lot of sincere talk about giving choice, you have to admit that
> there are quite a few posts from people who really dislike systemd (if
> not hate it).
This is true. A
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 09:12:09AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> This mailing list is now available on gmane.org, a email-to-usenet
> bidirectional gateway.
>
> The archives have not yet been posted there.
>
> I would need a copy of the archives in a suitable file format (such
> as mbox) to put o
Yep, also Poettering is a big fan and supporter of TPM, and stated on a
recent podcast (that was linked in this list I think) something along the
lines of "Once we all run systemd, TPM will finally work properly." TPM of
course is the continuation of the Clipper Chip, but dolled up to get the
hard
btw. very good summary of systemd:
http://openwall.com/lists/owl-users/2014/12/21/2
Daniel
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Am 2014-12-22 um 12:07 schrieb Daniel Cegiełka:
> 2014-12-22 12:01 GMT+01:00 Klaus Ethgen :
>> So believe me, they will find a "reason" for adding systemd dependency
>> to apt or aptitude.
I doubt that.
> yup.
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> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
That
2014-12-22 12:01 GMT+01:00 Klaus Ethgen :
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> Am Mo den 15. Dez 2014 um 17:23 schrieb Christoph Lechleitner:
>> Am 2014-12-15 um 17:15 schrieb Francesco Il Parente:
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>> >> Devuan will use apt/dpkg as debian does.
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>> > of course bu
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Am Mo den 15. Dez 2014 um 17:23 schrieb Christoph Lechleitner:
> Am 2014-12-15 um 17:15 schrieb Francesco Il Parente:
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> >> Devuan will use apt/dpkg as debian does.
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> > of course but the apt and dpkg depencies on systemd,
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> Neither
Hi,
If the releases are going to be named after astrological objects,
what about somebody making a stylized version of a spiral galaxy as
logo:
http://www.imsc.res.in/~indu/JM/2010/NovDec/Nebulae/NASA_-_Spiral_Galaxy_NGC_1300.jpg
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/fap/image/0508/MWart_spitzer_f50.jpg
htt
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