Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:05:03 +0100 John Crisp wrote: > I read the following article a while back and the one reply that > really actually made the most sense to me and summed up my feelings > that there are wider political issues at stake - this was on page 3 > of the comments by Trevor Potts. >

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Steve Litt: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:28:58 +0100 (CET) > k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > > At second thought, I'll first try to factor out udev completely -- or > > rather -- make the system to be *dev agnostic. > > Karl, please document your experiment so that some of us can follow in > your footste

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread John Crisp
On 19/02/15 18:38, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:05:03 +0100 > John Crisp wrote: > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/ > > Trade mag journalists. Can't live with them, can't live without > them. :-) > LOl - yeah. But it was t

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:05:03 +0100 John Crisp wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/ Wow, this article (the article itself, not the replies) has a mislead right off the bat: "The dispute centred on plans to replace the sysvinit init sys

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:28:58 +0100 (CET) k...@aspodata.se wrote: > At second thought, I'll first try to factor out udev completely -- or > rather -- make the system to be *dev agnostic. Karl, please document your experiment so that some of us can follow in your footsteps. A "no udev" box isn't p

Re: [Dng] The Onion Principle

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:48:12 + Noel Torres wrote: > To resume the principle: The best way to create a very complex > project is to add one layer at a time. I like it! Life's a journey, and a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. SteveT Steve Litt* http://w

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:26:06 + Nuno Magalhães wrote: > I'm here because i want choice and i like stuff to be modular and > open, not closed and monolithic (unless we're talking about Clarke's > 2001). Nuno, You've just almost completely described my intentions in one sentence. Very nice! I

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread John Crisp
On 19/02/15 13:36, hal wrote: > Hello all, and great work on the Alpha! I am tagging this off-topic as it > doesn't really pertain to Devuan development except in a tangential aspect. > > I've always thought it a bit odd that just a handful of people, leading > certain Open Source projects, coul

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Isaac Dunham (Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:06:59): > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 08:44:22PM +, Luke Leighton wrote: ... > Thanks to your write-up, I've gotten Xorg working sans udev > (actually, simulated via overmounting with tmpfs and running mdev). > FYI, *this* was why I included "devinfo" in libsysdev:

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Dragan FOSS: > > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:27:55 + > > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > Subject: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 > > from debian and still maintaining a working desktop > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type:

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Luke Leighton: > karl please refresh and double-check the update for pulseaudio, I don't need pulseaudio, sorry. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 _

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Luke Leighton : > aspodata.se> writes: > > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl.net>: > > > http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ > > > > I'll try that. > > awesome. if you'd like to keep in touch (through this list > if that's ok with the dng team?) i can perhaps advise if you

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Gravis
it's my understanding that most additions to the kernel from hardware companies are for drivers. i can only assume the rest are for new features they want to use or random bug fixes. i think the linux kernel itself is safe from needless radical changes because the linux kernel people actually get

[Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread hal
Hello all, and great work on the Alpha! I am tagging this off-topic as it doesn't really pertain to Devuan development except in a tangential aspect. I've always thought it a bit odd that just a handful of people, leading certain Open Source projects, could get away with steering any certain Lin

[Dng] The Onion Principle

2015-02-19 Thread Noel Torres
After reading the whole "keep as close to debian as possible" thread, and in my well-known spirit of resuming threads, I think we can benefit from the Principle of the Onion. At first stage (Devuan Jessie), we'll use a pinned repository with our desinfected packages, to provide our users (that'