Re: [Dng] Hardened Devuan (was Re: Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is)

2015-03-08 Thread Neo Futur
> I am not sure I follow - is the plan for Devuan to be default > hardened/grsec, or is it supposed to be an optional choice somehow? As was > already pointed out, java won't run. Lots and lots of server workloads run > Java nop, not as a default ( or I badly missed something ;) ) , just an a

[Dng] Devuan Alpha i386 - developers release series on Vagrant

2015-03-08 Thread JeremyBekka C
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Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
> A lightweight browser would be welcome. Does anyone have a practical > way to migrate bookmarks from Chrome or Chromium to such a lightweight > browser? qupzilla can import chromium bookmarks. i'm sure other actively maintained browsers have the same capability. - Gravis On Sun, Mar 8, 2015

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 11:59:25AM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > > I - personally - use chromium sometimes as i, as you've noticed, > dislike Google yet some IE-ish sites work better on chromium than they > do on firefox. Chromium seems fast but lacks a few plugins i use in > Firefox. Unfortunate

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread T.J. Duchene
-Original Message- From: Nate Bargmann [mailto:n...@n0nb.us] Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 6:36 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is Unfortunately, this sort of inconsistency toward their definition of "stable" caused problems in oth

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Richard
My recent usage demonstrated Firefox to be more efficient than Chrome on a 1 GiB netbook. I would suggest the ESR version of Firefox as a starter browser. Qupzilla or Midori could also serve as initial included browser. The idea is only to provide a means to download a desired browser. ___

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
> Hence my original suggestion: for a distro > that's still trying to get on its feet, a lightweight browser would > probably be best, like midori, dillo or something else. right because giving people the option of using their prefered browser is a bad idea! > I don't think > the effort of event

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-08 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Klaus Hartnegg wrote: > Nowhere on that page is a version number or a release date, so people not > familar with cool have no idea how outdated this might be So let's strive to make better documentation. ___ Dng mailing l

Re: [Dng] with pax flags, Java works fine - (was Hardened Devuan)

2015-03-08 Thread Gravis
> Wouldn't this hit every program that does JIT compilation? yes. the good news is that not a lot of programs use it because it's a temperamental and architecture dependant technology. > Or is execution from writable memory different? JIT is one use of executing writable memory. the basic pro

Re: [Dng] apt repository?

2015-03-08 Thread Eugene Bolshakoff
Also, will this repos conflict with Debian? If I upgrade to Devuan Jessie (systemd-free), what should I do with original Debian repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list ? I should remove them, shouldn't I? On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 17:57:04 +0100 (CET), k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Gravis: > > replace what

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-08 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 6:11 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > >> "Go look at the code, it's open" is a common "argument" i hear from >> pro-systemd advocates. Curious. About looking at the code: have you >> personally audited chrome's code, top to bottom, OpenBSD-style? 'Cos if you >> haven't - it is

Re: [Dng] with pax flags, Java works fine - (was Hardened Devuan)

2015-03-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 08:21:42AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > > Just to clarify... *Java will run* with a grsecurity hardened kernel, > > with pax enabled. It just needs mprotect disabled for the specific programs > > that need it disabled. (and also many other things need this... python, > >

Re: [Dng] with pax flags, Java works fine - (was Hardened Devuan)

2015-03-08 Thread Peter Maloney
On 03/08/2015 08:25 AM, Neo Futur wrote: >> cool, thanks! I think it would be important that packages that have an issue >> running under grsec all do what they need to do on installation to make sure >> the correct configs are in place to actually work under grsec. This is often >> left out, makin