* On 2015 13 Jun 18:23 -0500, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
What part of systemd are these various (non-systemd) programs
leveraging? Is it the sd-notify thingy? If it is that would imply a
different course of action than if they are using many different
features.
I know that CUPS can be run
On 06/13/2015 09:34 AM, Klaus Hartnegg wrote:
Am 13.06.2015 um 13:33 schrieb Laurent Bercot:
30 seconds is a lot. What if you could get your desktop ready in
5 seconds or less ?
This would mean less than what most people think. Because everything
longer than half a second is perceived as
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:53:44AM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
it comes from ancient Unix times when we
did not know better, and the daemon() function should either
disappear into oblivion, or have a place in the museum of medieval
programming as an example of how not to write Unix software.
Am 13.06.2015 um 13:33 schrieb Laurent Bercot:
30 seconds is a lot. What if you could get your desktop ready in
5 seconds or less ?
This would mean less than what most people think. Because everything
longer than half a second is perceived as being forced to wait. As long
as an improvement
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:54:41PM +0200, Anto wrote:
However, after I found that there is a commit with the title
machine: Integrate ConnMan with systemd-hostnamed on connman
source code which I posted on this thread yesterday, I decided to
stay away from connman. I am quite sure that along
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:04:12 -0400
Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 01:53:44AM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
it comes from ancient Unix times when we
did not know better, and the daemon() function should either
disappear into oblivion, or have a place in
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 10:43:52 +0200
marc marc...@welz.org.za wrote:
On a personal note: You have been making a number of pronouncements
which suggest incomplete understanding of unix: Here unaware of
dup2(), but in previous posts you were unclear on when a shell needs
to do a stat()
Laurent Bercot wrote:
As for printing servers, I don't know, but I'd be surprised
if cupsd was the only possibility.
And if it actually is the only possibility, then we have a bigger
problem than just sd_notify: it means that monopolies exist in free
software - real, existing monopolies,
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:29:17 +0200
Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
I'd prefer something simplier and mostly bound to shell scripts and a
light gui layer for the tray, which is handy.
As an Openbox guy, I'm always looking to make sure the tray stuff is
optional, and that whatever's in the tray
Hi,
I'm currently looking at patching the desktop tasks in taskselect to use
slim instead of lightdm (atleast until lightdm has been cleaned up to
not depend on systemd).
Also I'm planning to replace gnome-network-manager in those tasks with wicd.
These changes bring us closer to our goal
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:38:29 +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
I'm currently looking at patching the desktop tasks in taskselect to use
slim instead of lightdm (atleast until lightdm has been cleaned up to
not depend on systemd).
Slim should work fine as the default display manager. Although I
Le 13/06/2015 01:15, Laurent Bercot a écrit :
Encouraging daemon writers to use another API and providing a wrapper
to make daemons using the simpler API work with the sd_notify mechanism
is clearly the better ideological solution, and also technologically
preferable because more compatible
Le 13/06/2015 01:53, Laurent Bercot a écrit :
On 12/06/2015 22:21, marc...@welz.org.za wrote:
The trick is for the daemon process to only background when
it is ready to service requests (ie its parent process exits
when the child is ready).
You already mentioned it in a reply to me, indeed.
On 06/13/2015 11:03 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:22:29AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2015 13 Jun 08:08 -0500, LM wrote:
Laurent Bercot wrote:
It would be great if Devuan became the Linux distribution that offered
its users alternatives to more commonly used, often
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:22:29AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2015 13 Jun 08:08 -0500, LM wrote:
Laurent Bercot wrote:
It would be great if Devuan became the Linux distribution that offered
its users alternatives to more commonly used, often bloated software.
It would certainly
Hi everyone,
I have set up http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org as a holding place for
useful information, at least until there's an official wiki in place.
It's empty right now but for a few category suggestions. Not even a
nifty logo. One may follow :)
Please register if you like, and feel
On 13/06/15 14:15, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:54:41PM +0200, Anto wrote:
However, after I found that there is a commit with the title
machine: Integrate ConnMan with systemd-hostnamed on connman
source code which I posted on this thread yesterday, I decided to
stay away
* On 2015 13 Jun 08:08 -0500, LM wrote:
Laurent Bercot wrote:
As for printing servers, I don't know, but I'd be surprised
if cupsd was the only possibility.
And if it actually is the only possibility, then we have a bigger
problem than just sd_notify: it means that monopolies exist in
On 12/06/2015 22:21, marc...@welz.org.za wrote:
The trick is for the daemon process to only background when
it is ready to service requests (ie its parent process exits
when the child is ready).
You already mentioned it in a reply to me, indeed. I intentionally
did not follow up, and here
Am 13.06.2015 um 08:40 schrieb Didier Kryn:
Yes, daemon writers are good-willing developpers; they want their
software to serve as many users as possible; and users install distros.
This gives power to the distros. But if someone provides them with a
KISS readyness-signaling method, along
On 13/06/2015 11:37, KatolaZ wrote:
AFAIK all this fuss with
daemon-readiness began with the first attempts to have parallel boot
sequences, which is something that is still *useless* in 95% of the
use cases: servers don't get restarted evey other minute and normal
users who don't use suspend
The maintainer of epoch has just asked for feature requests.
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/13/198222/ask-slashdot-feature-requests-for-epoch-init-system-130
-- hendrik
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