Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-01 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
You say that as though persuading Linus of something with little technical merit were easy. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Mitt
On 2015-07-01 19:45, Dave Turner wrote: > Thanks Mitt, systemd-shim is now gone! > libsystemd0 wanted to remove far too many packages including my newly > installed hydrogen and anything to do with audio so that stays. > I read up on consolekit and didn't like the look of it... > Roll on Beta1!

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-01 Thread James Powell
True, but at the same time one has to as, where is the kdbus daemon independent of systemd that can be used by non-systemd systems to accurately test how well it works? DBus currently has no such abilities to my knowledge. Sent from my Windows Phone From: KatolaZ

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 09:21:46PM +0300, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > It's the second question: > > http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/0058243/interviews-linus-torvalds-answers-your-question?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed > I wouldn't expect any different answer from Linus.

Re: [DNG] GNU/Linux, Libre Linux, binary blobs, choice, freedom. philosophy

2015-07-01 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 07/01/2015 04:04 PM, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I think anyone who wants to revisit Debian's current free/nonfree repo structure, or its stance wrt licensing, should get their desired changes merged into Debian itself. Then, and only th

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-01 Thread James Powell
Linus actually makes perfect sense on the question. "Doing things better" doesn't always mean "doing things right" or "doing things correctly". Systemd does things in a better way than traditional ways, but that doesn't necessarily make them the best options, the best choices, or the right ones

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-01 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 07/01/2015 02:21 PM, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: It's the second question: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/0058243/interviews-linus-torvalds-answers-your-question?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed I think Linus is right when it comes to systemd as an init, but really

Re: [DNG] GNU/Linux, Libre Linux, binary blobs, choice, freedom. philosophy

2015-07-01 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > I think anyone who wants to revisit Debian's current free/nonfree repo > structure, or its stance wrt licensing, should get their desired changes > merged into Debian itself. Then, and only then, should Devuan consider them. I personally t

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-01 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 01/07/2015 21:17, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Linus describes personality issues around how to handle bug reports. And I think that is one of the main issues I have with some systemd upstream developers as well. The "we are right, you are wrong", "we wont fix this its not our bug", "we created

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Dave Turner
On 01/07/15 15:02, Mitt wrote: Hey, Dave Check out once you have /consolekit/ installed, then create a .xinitrc file in your home folder, write there *startxfce4 --with-ck-launch* and start your session with *xinit *command instead of *startx*. You can also remove /systemd-shim /as well as

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-01 Thread Martin Steigerwald
On Wednesday 01 July 2015 21:21:46 Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > It's the second question: > > http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/0058243/interviews-linus-torvalds > -answers-your-question?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed Linus describes personality issues around how to handle bu

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-01 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 01/07/2015 20:21, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/0058243/interviews-linus-torvalds-answers-your-question?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed Yes, it can happen to the best of us: even Linus doesn't know there are alternatives to handle services

[DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-01 Thread Aldemir Akpinar
It's the second question: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/0058243/interviews-linus-torvalds-answers-your-question?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed -- aldemir ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Mitt
On 2015-07-01 06:52, Dave Turner wrote: > I had debian wheezy installed on my late 2006 intel iMac, using > wheezy-backports for things like LibreOffice and netbsd pkgsrc for > things not in backports such as the hydrogen drum synth. > > > I removed the lightdm greeter I had installed on wheezy so

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Fred DC
On 01/07/2015 10:16, KatolaZ wrote: > > I am not the best person to answer your questions, but I believe that > all these problems should be fixed in the beta release, when it's > ready. I am just a user but I can report that these issues have been addresses in Ascii. I use lightdm with consolek

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread Jaromil
Dave's report confirms some problems we knew about, on which Dimkr has also done some research and development (loginkitd etc.). Overall I don't believe they'll be difficult to fix, but we need to establish a workflow on the desktop usability side to nail down the issues and track their status.

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 07:52:15AM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > I had debian wheezy installed on my late 2006 intel iMac, using > wheezy-backports for things like LibreOffice and netbsd pkgsrc for > things not in backports such as the hydrogen drum synth. > > I migrated to Devuan Alpha2 using devua