On 07/16/2015 11:41 PM, Franco Lanza wrote:
What do you think about moving this way?
*** Your proposals are very consensual and pregnant of the users'
freedom of choice. This is a great way to enable an open system
embracing variety and selection, and this should be kept in mind for
other
Le 17/07/2015 01:54, Adam Borowski a écrit :
Then, you can use cat to display a file's contents, and sed or echo
to edit needed files (typically /etc/apt/sources.list and
/etc/network/interfaces) enough to let you apt-get install an usable editor.
I've done this kind of things a few times
Le 16/07/2015 23:24, Riccardo Boninsegna a écrit :
A little shortcut from the extreme basics I know of vi:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote:
6) Type the following, followed by hitting enter, in order to save
and quit:
:wq
ZZ (uppercase) saves and quits, no
Le 16/07/2015 20:41, Klaus Ethgen a écrit :
I always get stessed if emacs get started on a new computer where I did
not check the editor settings.
Did it actually happen to you or did you have a nightmare? Did you
experience a distro which installs it by default and makes it the
default
On 07/16/2015 06:24 PM, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote:
:wq
ZZ (uppercase) saves and quits, no questions asked!
:x also saves and exits.
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 02:40:31PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 16/07/2015 20:41, Klaus Ethgen a écrit :
I always get stessed if emacs get started on a new computer where I did
not check the editor settings.
Did it actually happen to you or did you have a nightmare? Did
you experience a
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:36:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
Is ascii the set of 7 bit characters where space is 32 and tilde is
127, or does it have a different context in this email?
It's an asteroid. So is Ceres, and, surprise, Jessie.
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:38:06 +0200
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:57:47PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
I'm a long time *nix user/contributor and have
never become comfortable with vi*, even after several tries. Which
editor you like is personal, like
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:19:59 +0100
KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 07:22:49PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
Yes, but I mean alts like s6, Runit, etc. In the past these were
left to the users to make for themselves. For these to be viable,
they need full script sets
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:49:49PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
There is one thing I would recommend different that the standard Debian
model. Release only the right amount of packages to create a working
operating system under a complete installation, and dedicate the rest of all
packages to
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 04:36:02PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 08:33:48AM +0200, Michael Bütow wrote:
Happy to say that after I voted it was 633 users for and 634 against
(not planning to use it).
Due to the construction of the poll, the plan to avoid figure
On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 09:25 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Has anybody seen this?
http://popcon.debian.org/
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=coreutilsshow_installed=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=ondate_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1
What about this?
systemd-sysv:
KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org escribió:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:57:08PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
An LTS branch isn't needed if you do version controlled releases
and sponsor support for versioned releases for at least 3-4
versions back.
[cut]
As releases mature, 1.0 would be
Has anybody seen this?
http://popcon.debian.org/
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=coreutilsshow_installed=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=ondate_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1
Nik
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 09:25:25AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Has anybody seen this?
http://popcon.debian.org/
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=coreutilsshow_installed=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=ondate_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1
The server-side piece is currently broken.
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 07:22:49PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
Yes, but I mean alts like s6, Runit, etc. In the past these were left to the
users to make for themselves. For these to be viable, they need full script
sets ready to go.
If one had infinite energy available, everything would be
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:57:08PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
An LTS branch isn't needed if you do version controlled releases and sponsor
support for versioned releases for at least 3-4 versions back.
[cut]
As releases mature, 1.0 would be maintained until the fourth or fifth release
On 07/17/2015 06:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
Do you use joe by any chance? After Wordstar on my Kaypro 2x, I used
Wordstar keystrokes in the Borland products for years.
joe is a much more capable editor than nano, but just as lightweight and
easy to use. It has full block select/copy/move/delete
The core of any distribution is very akin to what you could draw from an LFS
book, with some reasonable extras like those with Gentoo/Funtoo to create not
just a basic core system, but a working base model. Yes, it could be very easy
to maintain, and keep tools stable for long periods.
I care that my PID1 isn't going to have an instance where it could crash by
doing something it shouldn't, and bloat itself in my virtual memory.
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To: Gregory
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 02:41:58AM -0700, James Powell wrote:
The core of any distribution is very akin to what you could draw from an LFS
book, with some reasonable extras like those with Gentoo/Funtoo to create not
just a basic core system, but a working base model. Yes, it could be very
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 09:09:10AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
[cut]
It sounds like Slackware, and there is a clear reason why I have been
using Debian and not Slackware. I believe that the
stable-testing-unstable-experimental organisation is working already
fine. We can discuss whether we
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:50 AM James Powell james4...@hotmail.com wrote:
There is one thing I would recommend different that the standard Debian
model. Release only the right amount of packages to create a working
operating system under a complete installation, and dedicate the rest of
all
On 17.07.2015 11:25, Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:50 AM James Powell james4...@hotmail.com
mailto:james4...@hotmail.com wrote:
There is one thing I would recommend different that the standard
Debian model. Release only the right amount of packages to create a
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:04:43 -0700
jce j...@riseup.net wrote:
But as far as the vi vs. nano as *default* editor thing, I think nano
would generate a lot less how do I get out of this thing? traffic
for devuan support.
Gentlemen, please excuse me if this seems blunt - but - I think the
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 07:38:06AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:57:47PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
I'm a long time *nix user/contributor and have
never become comfortable with vi*, even after several tries. Which
editor you like is personal, like the food you
Maybe a part of the answer :
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/214575/popcon-failed-is-the-mailto-address-busted
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site : http://www.bornet.fr/
On 07/17/2015 09:25 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Has anybody seen this?
http://popcon.debian.org/
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:17:15 -0500
Stanley Webb sw...@cumbytel.com wrote:
Will it be possible to install *.deb's in Devuan? I ask because I
like the Mate desktop, and they offer deb installs at their site
mate-desktop.org. also libreoffice offers deb at their site
www.libreoffice.org.
Hi
Will it be possible to install *.deb's in Devuan? I ask because I like
the Mate desktop, and they offer deb installs at their site
mate-desktop.org. also libreoffice offers deb at their site
www.libreoffice.org.
Stan
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Will it be possible to install
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 01:52:56PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
KatolaZ:
You guys talk about supporting half a dozen init systems like it
was similar to providing half a dozen different editors, which
believe me is not quite the case.
This is true, because supporting an init system
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:06:59PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
It's not just that, but why are there so many broken down packages? -bin,
-dev, -meta, -src, -lib, -doc, etc. my God do we need this many? Many
distributions use just one all inclusive package to avoid problems unless its
a
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:19:50AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
The only feasible way I can see to make anything similar to what you
seem to have in mind is by using BSD-like ports for non-core
components. It is impossible for the ancillary stuff (whatever it
means) to remain in sync with the core
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:06:59PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
It's not just that, but why are there so many broken down packages? -bin,
-dev, -meta, -src, -lib, -doc, etc. my God do we need this many? Many
distributions use just one all inclusive package to avoid problems unless its
a
On July 17, 2015 at 11:38 PM Gregory Nowak g...@gregn.net wrote:
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:16:06PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
Some might ask, Why not just one simple package?
That's where Devuan can bring packaging sanity in as well.
megabyte for example. Granted, this may not be
I never said it was set in stone.
All I suggested was if you install a package like SDL, then you install all of
SDL, not just part of it. This reduces overhead of making multiple packages,
simplifies the distribution, and makes the work of the package maintainer
easier.
To a new person using
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:16:06PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
I never said it was set in stone.
All I suggested was if you install a package like SDL, then you install all
of SDL, not just part of it. This reduces overhead of making multiple
packages, simplifies the distribution, and makes
On 17/07/15 20:57, Svante Signell wrote:
On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 09:25 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Has anybody seen this?
http://popcon.debian.org/
https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=coreutilsshow_installed=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=ondate_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1
What about
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:56:00 -0400
Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 09:27:05AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:19:59 +0100
KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
That wasn't what I was saying at all. I think something got lost in
the
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 03:19:06PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
It is diverse bur equally its overbearing to weed through sub-packages to get
the right package you need.
Ports are packages from source. Gentoo, Funtoo, and CRUX all use packages
built and installed from source, and only meet
Great!
Chévere!
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ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by alternative package chains.
Multiple
It is diverse bur equally its overbearing to weed through sub-packages to get
the right package you need.
Ports are packages from source. Gentoo, Funtoo, and CRUX all use packages built
and installed from source, and only meet dependencies for which you the system
administrator has choice
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