Re: [DNG] Packaging (was Systemd Shimss, Init scripts in packages, possibly Mission Creep)

2015-08-10 Thread Richard
@golinux, Understand what you are saying, but I believe there are several distros, trying to stay away from systemd, that will adopt Devuan as a base once it produces a clean base install. Devuan will produce a full blown desktop distro in the future, but I believe there will be Devuan based

[DNG] Devuan @ CCC camp, 15 august 13:37 CET in the Italian Embassy

2015-08-10 Thread Jaromil
re all, some of the Devuan developers and actually quite a lot of VUAs will be present at the upcoming Chaos Communication Camp near Berlin. For the occasion we have proposed a lightning talk about Devuan https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Lightning:Devuan

Re: [DNG] Packaging (was Systemd Shimss, Init scripts in packages, possibly Mission Creep)

2015-08-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:23:18 -0700 Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sun, 8/9/15, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: [DNG] Packaging (was Systemd Shimss, Init scripts in packages, possibly Mission Creep) To:

[DNG] live-build

2015-08-10 Thread aitor_czr
On 31/07/15 08:02, Ozi Traveller wrote: Hi, I've very interested to create to use Devuan as a base for my distro. ISo I'm wonder whether live-build is also coming across from Debian? Cheers Ozi Hi Ozi, Live-build works fine in Devuan, but you must change the default mirrors in bootstrap

Re: [DNG] Packaging

2015-08-10 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Monday, August 10, 2015 08:15:20 AM Rainer Weikusat wrote: I'm not convinced that there is any 'overarching problem': All I meant was that Debian and Devuan have the same problem. It could be resolved by changing their packaging policies slightly. The whole reason that Devuan exists is

Re: [DNG] Packaging

2015-08-10 Thread Rainer Weikusat
T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com writes: On Monday, August 10, 2015 08:15:20 AM Rainer Weikusat wrote: [...] Debian claims to support 43,000 packages of easily installable software. This confuses some people into believing the only possible way to build a usuable system based on Debian but

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-10 Thread Apollia
On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:35 PM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/09/2015 08:14 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a Linux distro that I could recommend to friends who are rather frustrated with Windows 10. The friends in question ask me about how to fix

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-10 Thread dr . klepp
-DE familiar to Windows users (if Trinity were more active, I'd go with that without hesitation; but I suspect properly configured Xfce or Mate may be better at this point.) Trinity is quite active and the next release is under it's way :-) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that

Re: [DNG] Packaging

2015-08-10 Thread Rainer Weikusat
T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com writes: I know I have said this before, but I just wanted to say that both threads are really the same issue. I think the overarching problem that both Debian and Devuan have is the very same problem: packaging. From my little corner of the world, every

Re: [DNG] Packaging

2015-08-10 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 10/08/15 21:49, Rainer Weikusat wrote: T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com writes: On Monday, August 10, 2015 08:15:20 AM Rainer Weikusat wrote: [...] Debian claims to support 43,000 packages of easily installable software. This confuses some people into believing the only possible way to

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 18:39:07 -1000 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Isaac Dunham wrote: LXDE is close to the classic interface, but so is IceWM (my own first pick for window manager.) I like IceWM, because it's so easy to configure menus. I set up some menus for my dad, that he's been

Re: [DNG] Packaging (was Systemd Shimss, Init scripts in packages, possibly Mission Creep)

2015-08-10 Thread Go Linux
On Sun, 8/9/15, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: [DNG] Packaging (was Systemd Shimss, Init scripts in packages, possibly Mission Creep) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, August 9, 2015, 8:42 PM All that Devuan really