Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:05:47 -0500 Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2015 29 Aug 16:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Yeah, that isn't a problem, and shouldn't be a problem. > > Interestingly, in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the > > mega-metal admins administering hundreds of boxes with hundr

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 02:20:41 +0200 Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 29/08/2015 23:11, Steve Litt wrote: > > in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins > > administering hundreds of boxes with hundreds of Docker containers. > > These guys are telling me systemd is necessary to effici

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:47:18 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > I always thought su was the wrong way to go about things. > Give me sudo every time. How much stuff do you want to put in sudoers? You really want to do what Ubuntu does? > (there are assorted long discussions about su vs sudo out there on

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: ???su??? command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 30/08/2015 04:29, Isaac Dunham wrote: Correction for this: Alpine Linux is OpenRC based. Ah, sorry, I mixed them: it's Void Linux that's runit-based. -- Laurent ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailm

Re: [DNG] BUG: zombies increase while running netman

2015-08-30 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Edward Bartolo writes: > OK, poWaitOnExit added and zombies creation has been reduced. However, > I am still getting these: > > 3584 ?00:00:00 kworker/u8:0 > 3586 ?00:00:00 kworker/1:3 > 3588 ?00:00:01 netman > 3623 ?00:00:00 ifdown > 3644 ?00:00:00 kwo

Re: [DNG] BUG: zombies increase while running netman

2015-08-30 Thread tilt!
On 08/30/2015 07:40 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: OK, poWaitOnExit added and zombies creation has been reduced. However, I am still getting these: 3584 ?00:00:00 kworker/u8:0 3586 ?00:00:00 kworker/1:3 3588 ?00:00:01 netman 3623 ?00:00:00 ifdown 3644 ?

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Laurent Bercot writes: > On 29/08/2015 14:43, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> 'su' is not a concept, it's a program. > > Okay, let's clarify. > A program is the implementation of an idea. The idea is often > unwritten or unspoken, or forgotten, and people will only refer > to the implementation; but

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 02:20:41 +0200 > Laurent Bercot wrote: > >> On 29/08/2015 23:11, Steve Litt wrote: >> > in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins >> > administering hundreds of boxes with hundreds of Docker containers. >> > These guys are telling me

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 30 Aug 02:27 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > You know why, Nate. You were on Debian-User in the bad old days. Back > in the day, how many times did I get called a conspiracy theorist for > answering that question. > > Three words: > > 1. Follow > 2. the > 3. money. Sigh, yes, I know. I'm s

Re: [DNG] BUG: zombies increase while running netman

2015-08-30 Thread Edward Bartolo
Merge accepted. Kind regards, Edward. On 30/08/2015, tilt! wrote: > > > On 08/30/2015 07:40 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> OK, poWaitOnExit added and zombies creation has been reduced. However, >> I am still getting these: >> >> 3584 ?00:00:00 kworker/u8:0 >> 3586 ?00:00:00 kwork

Re: [DNG] BUG: zombies increase while running netman

2015-08-30 Thread Edward Bartolo
I explicitly avoided to use WaitOnExit() to avoid having to use multi-threading which I wanted to avoid. I will try to create a descendant of TThread to use it to Connect and Disconnect but I need to be cautious to avoid complicating the code. On 30/08/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Merge accepted

[DNG] su

2015-08-30 Thread Emiliano Marini
I don't understand su, and don't want to read his manpage, let's reinvent it poorly: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/1022 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] BUG: zombies increase while running netman

2015-08-30 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Edward Bartolo writes: > I explicitly avoided to use WaitOnExit() to avoid having to use > multi-threading which I wanted to avoid. I will try to create a > descendant of TThread to use it to Connect and Disconnect but I need > to be cautious to avoid complicating the code. All you need to do is

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:39:28 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > > On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 02:20:41 +0200 > > Laurent Bercot wrote: > > > >> On 29/08/2015 23:11, Steve Litt wrote: > >> > in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins > >> > administering hundreds

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 30/08/2015 20:54, Steve Litt wrote: http://www.ibuildthecloud.com/blog/2014/12/03/is-docker-fundamentally-flawed Very nice! Note that the article is about the containers' *host*. When people talk about "making systemd work with containers", they're usually meaning running systemd *in* the

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Clarke Sideroad
It seems to me that with so much in common GNU/Linux or UNIX use that was so deeply flawed, he/Redhat would have been further ahead to just fork off and create Poettericks or or Poetterdows. I guess the problem with heading in that direction would have be the lack of recognition, his project/o

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:20:15 -0400 Clarke Sideroad wrote: > It seems to me that with so much in common GNU/Linux or UNIX use that > was so deeply flawed, he/Redhat would have been further ahead to just > fork off and create Poettericks or or Poetterdows. No, because in a head to head showdown

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread jfmxl
On 2015-08-31 05:34, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:20:15 -0400 Clarke Sideroad wrote: It seems to me that with so much in common GNU/Linux or UNIX use that was so deeply flawed, he/Redhat would have been further ahead to just fork off and create Poettericks or or Poetterdows. No,

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-30 Thread Nate Bargmann
And all along I thought a "dock" had to do with a place to put program icons on a desktop and that "docker" was a tool to handle it. I've ignored everything about virtual machines except for Virtual Box and QEMU. Evidently, I now have to know that a "container" is a virtual machine. Or is it? Se

Re: [DNG] docker/virtualization (was: The show goes on...)

2015-08-30 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 09:11:01PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > And all along I thought a "dock" had to do with a place to put program > icons on a desktop and that "docker" was a tool to handle it. I've > ignored everything about virtual machines except for Virtual Box and > QEMU. > > Evidently

Re: [DNG] BUG: zombies increase while running netman

2015-08-30 Thread Edward Bartolo
WaitOnExit causes the main thread to wait until the backend finishes. This means it will hang the main thread making the GUI irritatingly unresponsive. Thus, the only way out is to use multi-threading. Regarding zombies, these were automatically adopted by the frontend as terminating the latter al

Re: [DNG] BUG: zombies increase while running netman

2015-08-30 Thread marc
> WaitOnExit causes the main thread to wait until the backend finishes. > This means it will hang the main thread making the GUI irritatingly > unresponsive. Thus, the only way out is to use multi-threading. Multithreading is almost always a bad idea, fortunately there are other options: Have you

Re: [DNG] su

2015-08-30 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 30/08/2015 17:08, Emiliano Marini a écrit : I don't understand su, and don't want to read his manpage, let's reinvent it poorly I use su everyday. If you don't like it, don't use it. If you are afraid of using it by mistyping, alias it. Could we put an end to this thread?