Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming

2015-10-06 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 05/10/2015 18:54, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 03/10/2015 09:49, Simon Hobson a écrit : Lets face it - there is no "right" answer to this other than a system with enough intelligence to read the user/admin's mind and work out what they intend to happen - and I think we'r

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming

2015-10-06 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/10/2015 18:54, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : > Yes, changing the MAC address of a real network interface can be done to fool > a DHCP server (I don't see any other reason), > but this is done in user space, after the kernel has registered it.

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming

2015-10-06 Thread Simon Hobson
Didier Kryn wrote: > Out of curiosity, why are the virtual Ethernet given random addresses? Well they have to have something ! For Xen, they've registered an OUI to get a block of MAC addresses to use. If you don't specify teh MAC address in the VM config then it'll pick one at random, but yo

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-10-06 Thread aitor_czr
Thanks, you are right. Aitor. On 06/10/15 00:03, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: A little nitpick: the Description: of those packages is formally incorrect -- it should be an one-line short description followed by a multiline one (indented with one space, and with a single dot for blank lines). As

Re: [DNG] Alternative for ARM processors

2015-10-06 Thread Emiliano Marini
Maybe Alpine Linux? http://alpinelinux.org/downloads/ On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:11 PM, hal wrote: > I recently upgraded one my ARM devices and it appears to have incorporated > systemd into the updates. Anyone know of a systemD-less ARM distro? > ___

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-10-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi All, In the case of more than one wifi and/or more than one ethernet connector, netman will either use decide by itself to use a device from the available list or choose a device from the defaults set by the user. I think, netman should not support more than one active connection as is current

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-10-06 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 10/06/2015 09:24 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: In the case of more than one wifi and/or more than one ethernet connector, netman will either use decide by itself to use a device from the available list or choose a device from the defaults set by the user. I think, netman should not support more t

[DNG] live-build experiment worked!

2015-10-06 Thread Godefridus Daalmans
Hej, I just wanted to mention that I got an experimental Devuan jessie live-build to work with LXDE and lightdm and iceweasel. And amprolla seems to have lost the Contents-amd64.gz file so I had to make one. The only systemd components are udev and libudev1 (215-17+deb8u2) There's an annoy

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming

2015-10-06 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 05/10/2015 18:54, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : [...] >> A file >> >> /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules >> >> can be created (on Debian up to wheezy at least) to avoid this "install >> the system to new hardware and get a whole bunch of new ethN instead of

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-10-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
>Is it possible to run more than one instance of netman? No, only the previous versions allow more than one instance of netman to run. The current one I am working on (not yet pushed to git) prevents users from running more than one instance. Edward On 06/10/2015, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > On 10

Re: [DNG] Alternative for ARM processors

2015-10-06 Thread aitor_czr
I have in my mind to build a ARM distro, but i still haven't any machine with that processor. I'm interested in buying a Raspberry Pi with free hardware. Aitor. On 06/10/15 19:33, hal wrote: Maybe Alpine Linux? http://alpinelinux.org/downloads/ On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:11 PM, hal wrote:

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-10-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, Now, the frontend can create a text file to declare a default wifi and ethernet devices. Since this file is writable by ordinary unprivileged users, and because the file will be used by the backend to decide which devices to use in cases where such a file exists, I am thinking about validating

Re: [DNG] Alternative for ARM processors

2015-10-06 Thread vmlinux
Hopefully you have more time than I to build an ARM distro. Hardest part for me was getting tool chain compiled but that was many years ago. Maybe it is easier now. I have a B+ and A+. B+ runs a USB temperature monitor for beer fridge to control the thermostat. A+ is nice if you can get by wit

Re: [DNG] Alternative for ARM processors

2015-10-06 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:59:48 -0500 vmlinux wrote: > Both systems run Debian arm and I am afraid to ever apply upgrades to > them again. :( If there weren't any major changes to the repository in the last few weeks, you can easily install Devuan on a Raspberry Pi (-> armhf), using the method I d

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, , eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-10-06 Thread aitor_czr
Hi David, It's not necessary to add build-essential to the build-deps list. Add the APT repository to your sources.list and download the sources of netman: # apt-get source netman Now go to the parent directory of the sources, uninstall build-essential and run: # dpkg-checkbuilddeps You

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-10-06 Thread fsmithred
One connection at a time should be enough for anyone. (Or they can edit their interfaces file.) If you're already getting a list of devices to display, couldn't you just verify that the chosen device matches one of those names? I don't know what it's like to test for illegal characters in the lang

Re: [DNG] Alternative for ARM processors

2015-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:11:38 -0500 hal wrote: > I recently upgraded one my ARM devices and it appears to have > incorporated systemd into the updates. Anyone know of a systemD-less > ARM distro? ___ Dng > mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailing

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-10-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
> If you're already getting a list of devices to display, couldn't you just > verify that the chosen device matches one of those names? I don't know > what it's like to test for illegal characters in the language you're > using, but I can tell you it's a pain in the ass in bash. Yes, it is a good