Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:02:28 +0100 aitor_czr wrote: > Hi all, > > Did you watch the following video? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE&list=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR > > A conference by a system administrator interrupted by Lennart > Poettering (at the end of that). Ait

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-20 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 02/20/2016 02:56 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > I will add my two cents to the stream of comments. > > I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux > users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at > unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from diffe

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-20 Thread Simon Wise
On 21/02/16 07:58, Mitt Green wrote: Edward Bartolo wrote: I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux users are also desktop users. LOL, since when most Linux users are desktop users? Linux market share on desktop is around 1-2%, while on servers open-source op

Re: [DNG] Azadi, or: the art of civil-isation (was: Re: systemd==bad)

2016-02-20 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:15:59 + Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Florian Zieboll writes: > > There is another famous saying, I think originally by Rosa > > Luxemburg: > > > > "Freedom" is always the freedom of the opponent. > > By Rosa Luxembourg, yes, but your translation is off. "...of the > devia

Re: [DNG] Azadi, or: the art of civil-isation (was: Re: systemd==bad)

2016-02-20 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Florian Zieboll writes: There is another famous saying, I think originally by Rosa Luxemburg: "Freedom" is always the freedom of the opponent. By Rosa Luxembourg, yes, but your translation is off. "...of the deviant" is closer. Arnt ___ Dng maili

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-20 Thread Mitt Green
Edward Bartolo wrote: >I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most >Linux users are also desktop users. LOL, since when most Linux users are desktop users? Linux market share on desktop is around 1-2%, while on servers open-source operating systems maintain around 90% (cou

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-20 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, I will add my two cents to the stream of comments. I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from different flavours of Linux (aka distributions) use the same co

[DNG] Azadi, or: the art of civil-isation (was: Re: systemd==bad)

2016-02-20 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 23:47:47 -0300 Emiliano Marini wrote: > Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone (...) This reminds me so much of this infamous west german thought-terminating cliché to counter any kind of criticism towards the free (as in "free software"?) market econo

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-20 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2016 20 Feb 01:17 -0600, dev1fanboy wrote: > Seen this before, I think he is a little gullible in this presentation > to believe there would be a reasonable back and forth and allows a > dialogue to take place during his presentation. The video is about 2 1/2 years old. People could be forgi

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/02/2016 03:47, Emiliano Marini a écrit : Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone to adopt systemd, it's distribution developers fault. If Gnome forces a dependency upon systemd, dump Gnome. He's just shamelessly lying. He makes everything possible to force sys

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-20 Thread Mitt Green
   Emiliano Marini wrote: >He isn't forcing anyone to adopt systemd, it's distribution >developers fault. He himself isn't, the company he works at does. We don't know the relationship between TC of Debian and RH. >If Gnome forces a dependency upon systemd, dump >Gnome. It doesn't really force

Re: [DNG] Are you still paranoid if you turned out to be right?

2016-02-20 Thread zeanmi
Just for the fun : "Again, this turned out to be due to a change to D-Bus. Lennart Poettering had been working on some changes to avoid libdbus’s awkward SIGPIPE handling and replace it with the use of the MSG_NOSIGNAL flag. Unfortunately he’d missed a case in the authentication code. The side-