[DNG] The first FreeDesktop bicycle accessory

2016-02-22 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Here's the first bicycle accessory created by Red Hat and FreeDesktop: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1824466735/airsupplytm-the-worlds-first-air-pump-in-your-bicy Right now it's just an integrated (very integrated) bicycle pump. But from rumors I hear, in the future it will take

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad according to Mark Twain

2016-02-22 Thread Emiliano Marini
Nice quote. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:04:11PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Steve Litt writes: > > > > [...] > > > > > Over a year ago, on my systemd debating page, I wrote a section

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad according to Mark Twain

2016-02-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:04:11PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > [...] > > > Over a year ago, on my systemd debating page, I wrote a section on > > debating Poettering himself, and that section refers heavily to the > > video you mention: > >

Re: [DNG] Which Devuan alpha4 for vbox?

2016-02-22 Thread hellekin
On 02/16/2016 06:05 PM, GoOSSBears wrote: > Wish to run an i386 Devuan alpha4 as a guest OS in VirtualBox's > current v5.0.14[1], and under an i386 Linux-distro host. > The Devuan download zone[2] currently lists the four possibilities > for this as > > - devuan-jessie-i386-alpha4.box > -

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 14:52:12 +, Simon wrote in message <74d53005-88bb-489e-acdf-7619c26b3...@thehobsons.co.uk>: > KatolaZ wrote: > > > The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux > > servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations, > >

Re: [DNG] Runlevels (Was: Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit)

2016-02-22 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2016-02-19 at 15:45 +, Simon Hobson wrote: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > The abstract definition of 'runlevel' is (as far as I'm aware of it): > > "Set of processes supposed to be running". > > That's what I understand it to be. FYI: You might be

[DNG] A Philosophy: was Runlevels:

2016-02-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 14:49:20 + Simon Hobson wrote: > In my experience, sometimes > you just have to accept that some edge cases don't work very well - > but it's better to have to fudge around those than to make the entire > world suboptimal to cater for them. Read

Re: [DNG] Runlevels (Was: Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit)

2016-02-22 Thread Simon Hobson
Matthew Melton wrote: > What you are describing is a state machine? > Each run level is a stable state representing what is running (or supposed to > be). Something needs to trigger (change of input or "change of runlevel") > Each stable state has an "init" transition

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-22 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 03:22:27PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > > Katolaz, don't you recall how many times we've read about "The > year of the Linux Desktop", which never happened? And don't you > remember Gnome 3 made the desktop look like a tablet? > Yes, I do remember very well.

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/02/2016 15:38, KatolaZ a écrit : The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations, and those who can't are switching to something else (either Devuan, or other systemd-free distros, or FreeBSD). That's very

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/02/2016 13:52, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : kato...@freaknet.org writes: Well, if GNOME, KDE, and freedesktop guys are still convinced that they have any chance to scratch the shares of Android and iOS on mobles, then they might have somehow lost contact with reality. This is why all the

Re: [DNG] Runlevels (Was: Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit)

2016-02-22 Thread Matthew Melton
> -Original Message- > From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Simon Hobson > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:45 PM > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: Re: [DNG] Runlevels (Was: Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit) > > Rainer Weikusat

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-22 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
kato...@freaknet.org writes: Well, if GNOME, KDE, and freedesktop guys are still convinced that they have any chance to scratch the shares of Android and iOS on mobles, then they might have somehow lost contact with reality. This is why all the systemd-fuss looks incredibly stupid to my ignorant