[DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

@KatolaZ (and everyone else): I just took the 2016-05-17 iteration of devuan-minimal for a short spin, and here are my notes. In summary, it seems to be a nicely prepared iso, with features that I've found overlooked in much larger distros that make attempts to be minimal. Nice work!

Re: [DNG] about fglrx (especially to Irrwahn)

On Tue, 17 May 2016 21:37:13 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Hi. Indeed upgrading my system in some way i lost fglrx, and now, when > i try to reinstall it from the repositories i'm getting that there is > no fglrx driver. When i reactivate the Jessie repositories, the driver > is there but when i try to

[DNG] about fglrx (especially to Irrwahn)

Hi. Indeed upgrading my system in some way i lost fglrx, and now, when i try to reinstall it from the repositories i'm getting that there is no fglrx driver. When i reactivate the Jessie repositories, the driver is there but when i try to install it, synaptic or apt-get lament that fglrx depends

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

Adam Borowski wrote: > ...the word "pirate", > originally a bandit and murderer (and in places like Somalia, still current!) > yet nowadays its more widespread meaning is "culture spreading activist"[1] > (not just copyright, also, eg, radio), a term of pride for many of us. However, it is worth

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

On 05/17/2016 06:45 AM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Please do not take my question wrong (probably i am missing something): If it's that way, how can devuan then rely on debian as for packages etc.? At least in a forseeable future ... ? Good question. Devuan and Debian are growing apart (as

[DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version

Dear Devuaners, thanks to your comments and suggestions, I was able to strip down substantially the Unofficial Devuan Minimal Live images. We now can boot the amd64 version in 96 MB of RAM and the i386 version in 80 MB. If we consider that this is still a bunch of standard Devuan packages, with

Re: [DNG] JWM Package worth the effort? was About subject lines

On Tue, 17 May 2016 14:34:14 +0200 wrote: > Am Tue, 17 May 2016 12:00:02 + > schrieb Florian Zieboll : > > > I use JWM for the guest account on my old 1GB RAM laptop and vote > > for a JWM based desktop environment in Devuan as the lightest > >

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

On Tue, 17 May 2016 14:11:49 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 17 May 2016, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > > > Am Mon, 16 May 2016 13:41:14 + > > schrieb dev : > > Please do not take my question wrong (probably i am missing > > something): If it's that way,

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

On Tue, 17 May 2016 14:33:03 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 17 May 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:27:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > I sincerely wish the remedy of installing openrc and pinning > > > > systemd would work, but I'm sure it

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

On Tue, 17 May 2016 09:15:08 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:44:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [snip Steve Litt's anti-Debian community rant] > It might be due to my natural attitude, which forbids me from spitting > into the same plate I have been

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Please do not take my question wrong (probably i am missing something): > If it's that way, how can devuan then rely on debian as for packages > etc.? At least in a forseeable future ... ? The thing is that Debian is already there, pretty well complete, and the

Re: [DNG] JWM Package worth the effort? was About subject lines

Am Tue, 17 May 2016 12:00:02 + schrieb Florian Zieboll : > I use JWM for the guest account on my old 1GB RAM laptop and vote for > a JWM based desktop environment in Devuan as the lightest possible and > really straight forward *intuitive GUI* I know. If the "Devuan JWM >

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

On Tue, 17 May 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:27:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > I sincerely wish the remedy of installing openrc and pinning > > > systemd would work, but I'm sure it won't on the mid-long term. > > It obviously can't. The same Debian leadership who

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

On Tue, 17 May 2016, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Am Mon, 16 May 2016 13:41:14 + > schrieb dev : > > > Very well spoken. Debian leadership has demonstrated it's disinterest > > in remaining "Free". There is another motive driving Debian > > development now and Systemd

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

Another example, intentionally not systemd related: If you use any of: backups, snapshots, nfs, etc, you'd want to have all per-user "no data loss on failure/deletion" files in a common dir, such as ~/.cache, to make it easy to exclude or bind-mount. Currently, such caches are strewn around

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

Am Mon, 16 May 2016 13:41:14 + schrieb dev : > Very well spoken. Debian leadership has demonstrated it's disinterest > in remaining "Free". There is another motive driving Debian > development now and Systemd will end up being the core of Debian. To > remove it will only

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:27:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I sincerely wish the remedy of installing openrc and pinning systemd > > would work, but I'm sure it won't on the mid-long term. > > It obviously can't. The same Debian leadership who voted "no" (or was > it "we don't need no

Re: [DNG] JWM Package worth the effort? was About subject lines

On Mon, 16 May 2016 21:15:57 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > But of course, if I were ever to set up a GUI computer that used 128MB > RAM, you'd better believe I'd use JWM. I use JWM for the guest account on my old 1GB RAM laptop and vote for a JWM based desktop

Re: [DNG] Devuan on RPi2

On Mon, 16 May 2016, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > Icecast2 indeed behaves weird on De*an. With installation it asks to > configure source-password, relay-password and admin-password but afterwards > you have to edit them manually in /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml again. And you > have to

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:44:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > What I'm about to say is barely germane to what you two both said, but > I'll say it anyway. > > I *never* felt comfortable in the Debian community, even before the > "systemd thing". Those people were mean. They were