Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > Well, I think we've got a comprehensive review of the strategies > used to remind the user s?he's acting as root, and they all rely on > colour. The '#' character is a colour? ;-> ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lis

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-23 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > On 09/23/2017 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > >> Also, palemoon has restrictions on its software which waterfox does not. > >> I believe its on its binaries or executables? I think? > > I've just looked and found no evi

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-23 Thread zap
On 09/23/2017 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > >> Also, palemoon has restrictions on its software which waterfox does not. >> I believe its on its binaries or executables? I think? > I've just looked and found no evidence of this. > https://www.palemoon.org/redist

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-23 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > Also, palemoon has restrictions on its software which waterfox does not. > I believe its on its binaries or executables? I think? I've just looked and found no evidence of this. -- Rick Moen "Due to circumstances beyond your control, r...@linux

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 09:45:04PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Means you must have one terminal profile for every location you ssh to. > And you forbid yourself to use su or ssh from the command line, because this > doesn't change the color scheme of the terminal. ~/.bashrc gets re-run on su,

[DNG] Color Codes (Was Re: New behaviour under Devuan.)

2017-09-23 Thread Vernon Geiszler
> Anybody got a quick tips page somewhere to find the exact color codes? Else > I'm > out of the discussion for now. Too much effort... (and other work awaiting me, > I'm not lazy, but resources of mind energy not limitless, this has started > feeling like mind building exercize --compared to body

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 4:52 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI > wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:35:37 -0700 > Rick Moen wrote: > >> What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root >> authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt ending >> character changing from "$"

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/09/2017 à 22:26, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit : Changing PS1 in the relevant .bashrc changes colours both in XFCE-console and in tty Yes. But this isn't what Steve does. He changes the colour profile of the xterm, depending of what command he wants to run. __

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/09/2017 à 21:56, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:45:04 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: Le 23/09/2017 à 20:20, Steve Litt a écrit : What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt ending character changi

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:45:04 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > And you forbid yourself to use su or ssh from the command line, > because this doesn't change the color scheme of the terminal. ? ? ? ? Changing PS1 in the relevant .bashrc changes colours both in XFCE-console and in tty Cheers, Ron

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:45:04 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/09/2017 à 20:20, Steve Litt a écrit : > >> What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding > >> root authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt > >> ending character changing from "$" to "#". > > That'

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/09/2017 à 20:20, Steve Litt a écrit : What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt ending character changing from "$" to "#". That's not enough for me. When I open a terminal intended to be either root or on

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/09/2017 à 19:58, Miroslav Rovis a écrit : (as further above) only if targetpw is also set... Think I've got it now :-) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-23 Thread zap
> ( > And also, let's see if Enrico Weigelt's Librezilla takes off... Or, somebody > proove that Waterfox is indeed safer and more honest than Palemoon... More > people's testimonies on the latter would be needed, for me, to reconsider > Waterfox. > ) Well, let's see where do I start, about:config

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:35:37 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > > > The problem with su is that you may forget you are superuser and > > start doing dangerous things, > > > > That's it. > > What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weildin

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170923-19:39+0200, Antoine wrote: > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 03:12:23PM +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > (...) > > > > Anybody got a quick tips page somewhere to find the exact color codes? Else > > I'm > > out of the discussion for now. Too much effort... (and other work awaiting > > me, > >

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
Also a reply by Renaud, further in bottom (with the color codes! :-) ) On 170923-18:50+0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/09/2017 à 16:54, Miroslav Rovis a écrit : The targetpw, three lines below is key to understanding my query that I posted regarding the ability to forget the root password when i

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Antoine
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 03:12:23PM +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > (...) > > Anybody got a quick tips page somewhere to find the exact color codes? Else > I'm > out of the discussion for now. Too much effort... (and other work awaiting me, > I'm not lazy, but resources of mind energy not limitless

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

2017-09-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170920-21:21+0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): ... > > > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy extensions > > > Firefox has. +1 > > At _least_ try Chromium before ad

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/09/2017 à 17:12, Miroslav Rovis a écrit : But I'll need to take a deep breath to figure out the nice Bash lines that you sent to the list. :-) I didn't invent this totally; i picked it from some default Debian .bashrc years ago. I bet you can still find at least part of it in the de

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/09/2017 à 16:54, Miroslav Rovis a écrit : (Also replying to Didier Kryn, because it is related to my question put following Edward email below, however, too much Edward's text missing in Didier's reply.) On 170923-09:15+0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: Quote: "He's actually right: the least th

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
Also thanks for the quick replies, one from Renaud, in other emails. But... (see below)... On 170923-16:24+0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/09/2017 à 15:50, Miroslav Rovis a écrit : > > On 170923-19:01+1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > On 23.09.17 10:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > ..I still m

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
(Also replying to Didier Kryn, because it is related to my question put following Edward email below, however, too much Edward's text missing in Didier's reply.) On 170923-09:15+0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Quote: "He's actually right: the least the superuser's password is > used, the better > an

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 07:59:31 -0400 fsmithred wrote: > > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble > > under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a > > Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how to launch > > a pro

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/09/2017 à 15:50, Miroslav Rovis a écrit : On 170923-19:01+1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 23.09.17 10:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..I still miss and prefer the S.u.S.E.-5.2 way, root had a nice red background color in xterms, fairly hard to miss. If the '#' and "root@hostname" escape the a

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:50:31 + Miroslav Rovis wrote: > Useful. But in which file do you stick it, you didn't say? ~/.bashrc ? I stick the root ones in the relevant /root/.bashrc, and in ~/.bashrc for the user. Cheers, Ron. -- If God didn't want women to be looked at,

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170923-19:01+1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 23.09.17 10:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..I still miss and prefer the S.u.S.E.-5.2 way, root had a > > nice red background color in xterms, fairly hard to miss. > > If the '#' and "root@hostname" escape the attention of a person > entrusted with

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 06:28:30 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > > If the '#' and "root@hostname" escape the attention of a person > > entrusted with root privileges, then why not make the root prompt bright > > red: > > > > root@ratatosk:/home/erik# export PS1="\[\033[1;31m\]\u@\h:\W\$ > > \[\033[0;0m\]

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Erik Christiansen (dva...@internode.on.net): > If the '#' and "root@hostname" escape the attention of a person > entrusted with root privileges, then why not make the root prompt bright red: > > root@ratatosk:/home/erik# export PS1="\[\033[1;31m\]\u@\h:\W\$ \[\033[0;0m\]" It's a very goo

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread fsmithred
On 09/21/2017 05:21 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble > under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a > Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how to launch a > prog as root

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-23 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 23.09.17 08:51, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > I have very little doubt Intel put backdoors in Udoo. Why else would Udoo go > back on the promise of Open Hardware, and go dirt cheap in comparison to > competitors? My Udoo X86 makes a very nice video streamer and snappy browser host. Let the Rooshians

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/09/2017 à 08:49, Alessandro Selli a écrit : He's actually right: the least the superuser's password is used, the better and the safer. Yep, you can invoke 'sudo su -l'; that's su without the root password. It helps you forget the root password. Didier _

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/09/2017 à 01:56, Hendrik Boom a écrit : he problem with su is that you may forget you are superuser and start doing dangerous things, Edit the .bashrc of root to have the prompt written in red. That's what I always do. Yet it is still dangerous. You can make exactly the same da

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/09/2017 à 18:51, Hector Gonzalez a écrit : On 09/22/2017 05:10 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 22/09/2017 à 01:32, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : You can probably justify 'xhost +' if this is one of those I'm-the-only-user machines. Thank Ghu, remote network access to the X server is no longer enabl

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 23.09.17 10:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..I still miss and prefer the S.u.S.E.-5.2 way, root had a > nice red background color in xterms, fairly hard to miss. If the '#' and "root@hostname" escape the attention of a person entrusted with root privileges, then why not make the root prompt bright

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-23 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170922-16:13+0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 22.09.2017 08:24, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Quote: "if you build your own boards" > > > > You mean design my own computer motherboards?! > > Yes. Daily job in embedded world. > > And there're also lots of suitable standard boards

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:35:37 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root > authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt ending > character changing from "$" to "#". > > It could work. Somebody should try it, some time. I run xfce-

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/09/2017 à 13:30, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:03:07 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20170922130307.25f57...@nb6.lan>: On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:44:47 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20170921234447.gp11...@linuxmafia.com>: Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): ..my prefecen

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/09/2017 à 12:31, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit : On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:19:51 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: However, for at least a decade, the launcher of Synaptic, in Debian, has been invoking gksu. Certainly some other sysadmin commands were using it also, but synaptic is the one I mo

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Simon Hobson
Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root >> authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt ending >> character changing from "$" to "#". >> >> It could work. Somebody should try it, some time. :D > ..I still miss and prefer the S.

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:35:37 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20170923063536.gx11...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > > > The problem with su is that you may forget you are superuser and > > start doing dangerous things, > > > > That's it. > > What a pity there

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 at 12:18:54 -0400 "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:33:23 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > >> you probably just need to `xhost +` from the "regular" user account >> before su-ing. By default the current display is not accessible by any >> user except the one who

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread Edward Bartolo
Quote: "He's actually right: the least the superuser's password is used, the better and the safer." Granted, but sudo as configured in Ubuntu makes the use of a superuser password pointless. Sudo is configured to be a wide wide open door leading to any part of a computer's 'household'. In other wo

Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread viverna
il devuanizzato Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI il 21/09/17 alle ore 23:21 ha scritto: > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble > under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a > Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how to