Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-10-31 Thread Aldemir Akpinar
On 1 November 2017 at 03:24, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 10/31/2017 10:07 AM, dev wrote: > > > > > SystemD is a power play in the linux community, maybe even a super > backdoor - why else would every distro suddenly adopt it despite it not > being an improvement over SysVinit. > > Oh yes inde

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-10-31 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 10/31/2017 10:07 AM, dev wrote: I have some systemd encumbered systems and Devuan boot times beat them hands down. The difference is so profound I can't believe anyone at Redhat would even use that as a justification any more but they do because nobody is going to argue with "we did it to mak

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Didier Kryn writes: The distinction trust-zone vs normal doesn't look very different of kernel-mode vs user-mode, does it? Or, for that matter, like the privsep distinctions used in some programs. It's all the same kind of thing. Arnt ___ Dng m

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 31/10/2017 à 12:58, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : Martin Steigerwald writes: I don´t know much about Trustzone. Do you have any links to a good explaination of it (preferable from a non-vendor source)? Not offhand, sorry. But let me summarise the one I read: You can put code and data in a par

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 01:56:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > I agree that such a feature if done like in > > > The ROM code executes (at least partially) in the secure world, and may or > > may not let the bootloader replace it with your own code (typically you > > compile ATF, with or wi

[DNG] amprolla3 fixes old bug in apt-file

2017-10-31 Thread KatolaZ
Dear D1rs, just to let you know that, as announced a few days ago, the new amprolla3 *solves* the old bug in apt-file due to the lack of merged Contents.gz files. In particular, we are talking of the following: http://bugs.devuan.org/17 http://bugs.devuan.org/34 http://bugs.devuan.org/105

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 04:43:10PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2017-10-31 16:40, schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > > Is it still possible to use MBR boot on a GPT disk? > > You can install a hybrid partition table. > http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/hybrid.html Beware, a hybrid partition table is notori

Re: [DNG] Bluetooth headset on Devuan?

2017-10-31 Thread Mike Schmitz
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:16:30AM -0500, dev wrote: > I'm trying to setup a bluetooth wireless headset under Devuan but not > able to get past the pairing. Started with the "blueman-applet" which > looked nice but after pairing and trusting, three icons would show up ( > which I think were relate

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 31 October 2017 at 16:40:13, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:08:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > I always try to boot MBR. > > Beyond a certains size of disk you need GPT partitioning. Is it > still possible to use MBR boot on a GPT disk? Yes. https://en.wikip

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2017-10-31 16:40, schrieb Hendrik Boom: Is it still possible to use MBR boot on a GPT disk? You can install a hybrid partition table. http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/hybrid.html Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.d

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:08:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:53:45 +0100 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > Actually I´d make firmware pretty dumb and implement as much as I can > > in loaded software. Just enough firmware to actually install / boot a > > bootloader whic

[DNG] Bluetooth headset on Devuan?

2017-10-31 Thread dev
I'm trying to setup a bluetooth wireless headset under Devuan but not able to get past the pairing. Started with the "blueman-applet" which looked nice but after pairing and trusting, three icons would show up ( which I think were related to signal level and volumes) and then they would disappear.

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-10-31 Thread dev
On 10/31/2017 08:43 AM, John Hughes wrote: > On 31/10/17 14:23, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: >> In case you guys have missed, Jim Whitehurst, redhat ceo, answered >> some questions on slashdot, and of course many people asked about >> systemd. You can find the question and his answer here: "...most u

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-10-31 Thread John Hughes
On 31/10/17 14:23, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: In case you guys have missed, Jim Whitehurst, redhat ceo, answered some questions on slashdot, and of course many people asked about systemd. You can find the question and his answer here: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/10/30/0237219/interviews-re

[DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-10-31 Thread Aldemir Akpinar
In case you guys have missed, Jim Whitehurst, redhat ceo, answered some questions on slashdot, and of course many people asked about systemd. You can find the question and his answer here: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/17/10/30/0237219/interviews-red-hat-ceo-jim-whitehurst-answers-your-question

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Adam Borowski - 31.10.17, 12:41: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:48:35AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Arnt Gulbrandsen - 30.10.17, 12:25: > > > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > > > I wonder about ARM64 as an alternative? But they have some > > > > Trustzone crap if I remember correctly. > > > >

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-10-31 Thread Miroslav Rovis
Hi! I really wish I could have replied already. But I had issues, some imaginary (with my systems; well mostly fictitious, I have to say Devuan works great, my lack of expertize to blame for the real part of the system issues), and some real (I was sick for a while). Sorry! On 171011-17:29+0200,

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-10-31 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 171012-05:58+0300, m712 wrote: > My account had 'nomail' set for a while so I can't reply to the original, so > I'm replying over Enrico's message. > > On 23.09.2017 10:51, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > >of google's intrusivity; they can put most any spyware in videos, and I'm > >looking for the

[DNG] Devuan Package Mirrors

2017-10-31 Thread KatolaZ
Dear D1rs, it's a pleasure to announce that we are finally ready to setup new Devuan package mirrors, i.e., mirrors who will be able to serve the whole Devuan package repository. If you are willing to host a Devuan package mirror, please read first through the "Devuan Package Mirror Setup Walkthr

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Martin Steigerwald writes: I don´t know much about Trustzone. Do you have any links to a good explaination of it (preferable from a non-vendor source)? Not offhand, sorry. But let me summarise the one I read: You can put code and data in a part of RAM and then turn off regular access to those

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:48:35AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Arnt Gulbrandsen - 30.10.17, 12:25: > > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > > I wonder about ARM64 as an alternative? But they have some > > > Trustzone crap if I remember correctly. > > > > ARM64 is fine from a performance viewpoint

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Arnt Gulbrandsen - 30.10.17, 12:25: > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > I wonder about ARM64 as an alternative? But they have some > > Trustzone crap if I remember correctly. > > ARM64 is fine from a performance viewpoint. The mobile phone vendors have > spent a decade optimising ARM SOCs for perform

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Steve Litt - 30.10.17, 12:08: > On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:53:45 +0100 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Actually I´d make firmware pretty dumb and implement as much as I can > > in loaded software. Just enough firmware to actually install / boot a > > bootloader which loads an operating kernel and i