Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 09:55:31PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Some folks are asking for automatic sysvinit init script generation, or > else unit file to sysvinit init script converters. Some are asking > Devuan's developers to prioritize their scarce programmer resources to > modifying sysvinit,

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-19 Thread wirelessduck
> On 20 Oct 2018, at 12:55, Steve Litt wrote: > > Some folks are asking for automatic sysvinit init script generation, or > else unit file to sysvinit init script converters. Some are asking > Devuan's developers to prioritize their scarce programmer resources to > modifying sysvinit, which is

[DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-19 Thread Steve Litt
Some folks are asking for automatic sysvinit init script generation, or else unit file to sysvinit init script converters. Some are asking Devuan's developers to prioritize their scarce programmer resources to modifying sysvinit, which is over 30 years old. Yet others think we should reimplement

Re: [DNG] automatic init script generation

2018-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 05:05:07PM +, zeitgeisteater wrote: > On 2018-10-17 11:29, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 06:05:21PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult > > wrote: > > > > > > I personally, got tired of inventing yet another init system - did that > > > over 20

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Simon Hobson
Steve Litt wrote: > "Multi-seat" makes little sense now that when you add a user you can give him > or her a $400 computer with which he can share the server's data. I would beg to disagree - at least for some workloads. I think "it depends" is often teh answer to the question of "is

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Daniel Abrecht
On 19/10/2018 15.04, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: OTOH, we could (as mentioned in another thread) invent some small declarative config file format for expressing at least the very common cases There already is init-d-script (5).

Re: [DNG] automatic init script generation

2018-10-19 Thread zeitgeisteater
On 2018-10-17 11:29, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 06:05:21PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult > wrote: > > > > I personally, got tired of inventing yet another init system - did that > > over 20 years ago (actually, some things not so different from *early* > > systemd -

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 17.10.2018 15:14, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead > of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. That would be a *very complex* task - basically reimplementing much of systemd logic. Nothing that I could aggree to support.

Re: [DNG] Case studies of high-traffic web sites running Devuan?

2018-10-19 Thread Lars Noodén
On 10/18/18 2:46 PM, Daniel Klein wrote: > On 10/17/18 05:09, Lars Noodén wrote: >> Are there any case studies about large, high-traffic web sites running >> Devuan? [snip] > classictic.com runs with devuan, as most of the supporting systems. Some are > still debian. > I can't say that it is

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Freitag, 19. Oktober 2018 schrieb Steve Litt: > On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:50:39 +1100 > Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > On 18.10.18 11:37, Steve Litt wrote: > > > OK. Next question. What is the cost difference between a computer > > > terminal and a low power computer with the muscle to run apps

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:50:39 +1100 Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 18.10.18 11:37, Steve Litt wrote: > > OK. Next question. What is the cost difference between a computer > > terminal and a low power computer with the muscle to run apps whose > > data is on the central server? > > The price of