Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread karl
Rick: > Quoting Ian Zimmerman (i...@very.loosely.org): ... > > it. If only I had listened to my nagging inner voice and looked at > > /dev/disk/by-id first, I'd have been okay. > I'm a lot more concerned about servers, personally, and am not going to > permit overengineered software on my server ju

Re: [DNG] When spaces aren't just spaces [Was] Has anybody else experienced Raspberry Pi breakage ?

2020-05-18 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 19 May 08:09:46 +0200 marc scripsit: > Hello > > This is a bit unrelated, but might be worth warning people about. Some editors > no longer seem to be satisfied inserting plain spaces, but now deem it > necessary > the extra bytes . This might break small parsers which only

Re: [DNG] When spaces aren't just spaces [Was] Has anybody else experienced Raspberry Pi breakage ?

2020-05-18 Thread marc
Hello This is a bit unrelated, but might be worth warning people about. Some editors no longer seem to be satisfied inserting plain spaces, but now deem it necessary the extra bytes . This might break small parsers which only consider ' ' and \t as a delimiter. 'cat -A' will help you find them B

Re: [DNG] Has anybody else experienced Raspberry Pi breakage ?

2020-05-18 Thread tuxd3v
hello, Citando g4sra via Dng : On 17/05/2020 20:26, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: Anno domini 2020 Sun, 17 May 13:20:13 +0100 g4sra via Dng scripsit: I have an old Rpi 2B that will boot its original Raspbian fine but panics 'killing init' on Devuan. Has anybody else experienced this ? The only

Re: [DNG] Has anybody else experienced Raspberry Pi breakage ?

2020-05-18 Thread tuxd3v
Hello, Citando g4sra via Dng : I have an old Rpi 2B that will boot its original Raspbian fine but panics 'killing init' on Devuan. Has anybody else experienced this ? The only difference I can discern is that the Devuan repository executables (init) are compiled as PIE. Any suggestions to

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread tuxd3v
I believe I didn't expressed myself well, and so was badly understood.. Citando Steve Litt : On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:04:51 +0100 tux...@sapo.pt wrote: Hello, Citando Steve Litt : It's such a shame. Runit and s6 were both there, waiting to be picked up and used. Both were 10 times easier than

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread tuxd3v
hello,   Citando Dimitris via Dng : On 5/17/20 12:04 AM, tux...@sapo.pt wrote: But is a major flaw, being it a init system for a operating system, and not beign able to run shell scripts( systemd has also this limitation.. ).. you're right about s6, but wrong about systemd.you can run shell

Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 18 May 2020 14:09:01 -0700 Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > Quoting Ian Zimmerman (i...@very.loosely.org): > > > Last year I nearly lost all my image and audio data, some 100G. I > > guess that's small potatoes today, but anyway _very_ valuable to > > me. It happened because I gave the wrong /

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 18 May 2020 08:57:39 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-05-18 16:42, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > In particular by porting Window$ on top of Systemd-Gnu-Linux, just > > like MacOS lives on top of FreeBSD and makes big profit. > > How would that work from the legal POV? Linux is still GP

Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting Ian Zimmerman (i...@very.loosely.org): > Last year I nearly lost all my image and audio data, some 100G. I guess > that's small potatoes today, but anyway _very_ valuable to me. It > happened because I gave the wrong /dev/sd* name in a dd command when I > was putting something on a stick,

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-18 16:42, Didier Kryn wrote: > In particular by porting Window$ on top of Systemd-Gnu-Linux, just > like MacOS lives on top of FreeBSD and makes big profit. How would that work from the legal POV? Linux is still GPL, pretty much for this very reason. I do believe that systemd was mean

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 18/05/2020 à 13:04, Peter Duffy a écrit : Thanks for the heads up on that - fascinating article. One of the things which always baffles me about systemd was that right from the word go, there was something which would have nipped in the bud all the controversy, pain, recriminations, etc. etc.

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-18 Thread Peter Duffy
Thanks for the heads up on that - fascinating article. One of the things which always baffles me about systemd was that right from the word go, there was something which would have nipped in the bud all the controversy, pain, recriminations, etc. etc. Make systemd optional (so that, for example,