Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch

2020-12-08 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 09:22:03PM -0500, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 09:33:16AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > > > We were talking about libsystemd0 being a stub. > > It's not a stub. There's a bunch of functionality in there. A ton of it. > The elogind porters (who are

Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch

2020-12-08 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 09:33:16AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > We were talking about libsystemd0 being a stub. It's not a stub. There's a bunch of functionality in there. A ton of it. The elogind porters (who are distinct from Devuan/Debian maintainers) have ifdef'd out a large amount of stuff,

Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch

2020-12-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 12/9/20 7:01 AM, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 09:56:54AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: Unfortunately for those who are scared of source code and perhaps those who are scared in general, it is all too easy to become paranoid. After all, you are at the mercy of those who are

Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch

2020-12-08 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 05:01:49PM -0500, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > Let's start with how much systemd code we're talking about. Admittedly, I'm > not cutting out comments or whitespace here, but even so: > > .../elogind-241.4/src$ find . -name '*.c' -exec cat {} \; | wc -l > 125582

Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch

2020-12-08 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 09:56:54AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > Unfortunately for those who are scared of source code and perhaps those > who are scared in general, it is all too easy to become paranoid. After > all, you are at the mercy of those who are not scared. I'd say, pick up > programming

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Bernard Rosset via Dng
Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am interested to hear how others are doing this. Isolate the application in a trashable environment. Cue containers. That's what I did followed answers in the 'snapd in Devuan? Dependency on systemd' thread. My host systems barely

[DNG] godaddy (was Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.)

2020-12-08 Thread spiralofhope
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 01:00:44 +1100 wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > A good move to switch from godaddy. Doesn’t really matter where you > switch to, but godaddy appear to be a seriously unethical company. > > https://www.webpronews.com/godaddy-elephant-killing-nodaddy-venovix/ > >

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 12:51:11PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: ... > Given that it's only around £10, and only a couple of minutes to renew > once a year, I've just not had any particular pressure to change. Good that that works for you. But for someone with attantion deficit, that couple of

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 8 Dec 2020, at 23:51, Simon Hobson wrote: > > At my last job, we used GoDaddy for certs - not sure how much was GoDaddy and > how much was my lack of experience, but it used to seem like a right PITA at > times. I switched to SSLMate for the (linux) systems I managed. A good move to

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Simon Hobson
Simon Walter wrote: > Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am interested to > hear how others are doing this. I never got round to switching from using SSLMate - only $16/yr (equates to around £10/yr for me) for a basic (domain.tld + www.domain.tld) cert, but quickly

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Simon Walter - 08.12.20, 10:16:47 CET: > On 12/8/20 6:02 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > […] > > > >> Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am > >> interested to hear how others are doing this. > > > > I am still using dehydrated. It is a simple shell script which just > >

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Daniel Abrecht via Dng
Am 2020-12-08 08:41, schrieb Simon Walter: Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am interested to hear how others are doing this. Let's Encrypt has a list of various clients: https://letsencrypt.org/docs/client-options/ I'm using one I've written myself (and haven't

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 12/8/20 6:02 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: […] Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am interested to hear how others are doing this. I am still using dehydrated. It is a simple shell script which just depends on curl, openssl and ca-certificates. There is an

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Simon. Simon Walter - 08.12.20, 09:41:15 CET: > It is nice to see that there is instructions for Devuan at > https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/devuanascii-apache and that they > don't say to use snapd. However, what has certbot become? > > I have yet to look at the source code, but there

[DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

2020-12-08 Thread Simon Walter
It is nice to see that there is instructions for Devuan at https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/devuanascii-apache and that they don't say to use snapd. However, what has certbot become? I have yet to look at the source code, but there are a lot of dependencies: The following NEW packages