[DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread marc
> Thanks Karl, > > Some questions: Hello > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon > /var/log/logfile &" isn't sufficient for this, or is there something I am not aware of ? > 2) Does Busybox init give you a reasonable way to automati

[DNG] elogind on a server?

2022-08-03 Thread Joril via Dng
Hi everyone! I've just installed a minimal Chimaera on a VM from devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_server.iso I see that it has installed elogind, but is this required on a server? What will I miss if I remove it? Thanks! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread karl
Steve Litt: ... Busybox doesn't do what I guess you want, for that you just fire up a process supervisor, there are a few to choose among. Remember busybox init is just a minimal init, everthing else is some other programs responsibility. You can think of busybox init as sysv init but with just one

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread karl
marc: > Steve Litt: > > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? > > So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon > /var/log/logfile &" isn't sufficient > for this, or is there something I am not aware of ? The requirement for deamons not to background is so that the process manage

[DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread Edward Bartolo via Dng
Two empire falls recorded during the last two millenia it are the fall of the mighty Roman Empire and that of the Ottoman Empire. Both were extremely powerful influencing most of the worlds of their times, but they fell. What I expect from systemd and its adoption by many distributions is to recog

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread J.R. Hill
There are a few things that need to be in place for a smooth transition. For general trust in the project... 1. the init system itself should be maintained by more than a single human. 2. the maintainers should be willing to respond to a large audience. (If a project is used widely across distri

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread Bruce Perens via Dng
I came to the conclusion a while back that systemd was symptomatic of the fact that we had gone as far as the fundamental assumptions of the Unix API could take us. It is 50 years old, after all. There is room for replacement of systemd and continuation of Linux and BSD. But we should be looking fo

Re: [DNG] elogind on a server?

2022-08-03 Thread Gregory Nowak via Dng
On Wed, Aug 03, 2022 at 09:55:23AM +0200, Joril via Dng wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I've just installed a minimal Chimaera on a VM from > devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_server.iso > > I see that it has installed elogind, but is this required on a server? What > will I miss if I remove it? I don't hav