On 01/09/2018 01:43 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Are there instructions somewhere for taking apart a Debian package, making
changes,
and building a Devuan package?
apt install debian-handbook
Cheers and HNY to all :)
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On 07/24/2017 11:37 PM, Ozi Traveller wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/24/underscore_domain_name_bug/
Oops!
Actually (and TBH..), this is a bug in libidn2, which isn't in systemd
source tree...at least for now ;>
*
[dragan@trios-eudev][/media/dragan/TRIOS/LIBSYSD/ORIG-SOUR
On 07/23/2017 12:57 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
And, as this thread goes, you're not going to run a bloated DE on such an
underpowered machine, are you?
Traditional Amish buggy is undoubtedly efficient and usable
transportation...for some people ;>
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons
On 07/21/2017 09:02 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
Cinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64)
I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of
time and resources.
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Devuandom
Welcome To The Pleasuredome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrnvPCSP6Q8
;>
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On 07/16/2017 09:34 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
This thread has gotten ridiculously off-topic
Smart people can choose to be smart or stupid, as it suits them better.
The stupid have no choice... ;>
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On 07/15/2017 12:47 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Dylan fan, Hendrix fan, BSG fan, or all three?
I wonder, I wonder... ;>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUq_T_Bhau8
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On 07/14/2017 07:17 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
philosopher
NoI'm just a little grain of sand, on the Third Stone from the Sun :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7uJk0cb7Nw
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On 07/14/2017 01:38 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
I really do strongly recommend all of the above guidelines.
All in all, all of the above guidelines can be defined in one line:
"Don't f*ck with admins, we have root privileges.." :D
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On 07/12/2017 07:18 AM, Brad Campbell wrote:
Did I miss something
Yes.. ;)
When I wrote "recommends", and your interpretation of this word is
"mandating", I have no choice but to think that your reading system is,
to put it mildly, funny :)
Cheers,
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On 07/12/2017 12:12 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
remote ads in etc/motd
rm /etc/update-motd.d/*
:)
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On 07/11/2017 11:38 PM, Svante Signell wrote:
lendows (tm)
Not alone.. :)
http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-windows-10-loves-ubuntu-516922.shtml
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On 07/11/2017 09:11 PM, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
And what recommends Postgresql for BSD systems? "Don't install it"?
Free unix software should run on ANY unix system, not only Poetteringware.
I never tried on BSD, but on UNIX Pg runs fine :)
https://www.postgresql.org/download/solaris/
Btw...
On 07/11/2017 05:28 PM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
make it crystal clear: fuck off the
upstream.
Do you want to say that devuan users do not need any upstream that
recommends systemd?
For example, Postgresql?
***
With PostgreSQL 9.6 or newer, it is recommended to build with
--wi
On 17.06.2017. 17:26, Steve Litt wrote:
Are you nuts ?
There are rumors, but there is no official evidence :)
excusing the Gnome project for the
*horrible design decisions* they've made.
If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't impose your *design*
opinions on others and
On 17.06.2017. 19:46, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
The only interesting information would be: "Is it possible to install and run Gnome
without having installed systemd ?"
Of course it is possible...TRIOS is proof of concept for that.
the only part that does not work(although it must be install
On 17.06.2017. 03:09, Gary Olzeke wrote:
and XFCE is Devuan's initial Desktop too!
Hm? Currently, I'm using GNOME 3 ;>
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[dragan@trios-eudev][~]$ inxi -S
System:Host: trios-eudev Kernel: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
Desktop: Gnome 3.14.4
Distro: TRIOS 1.0 mia
On 17.06.2017. 02:39, Bruce Perens wrote:
I don't see any problem with a generic interface to the things that
libsystemd does , if one could be arrived at, or if the current API is
sufficiently generic.
I don't see any purpose that *any* package has a libsystemd dependency
in distribution wit
On 17.06.2017. 00:53, Hendrik Boom wrote:
libsystemd0 provides the interfaces of systemd for those pieces of software that
require them, but provides the empty implementations; i.e., informing the caller
that the requested acton is not available.
It is completely compatible with not having syste
On 17.06.2017. 00:46, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I'm often iterested in the packages that are in the repos I have *not* specified
in sources.list
Maybe rmadison (devscripts) would help you?
For example:
-
[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ rmadison -u ubuntu -a amd64 libsystemd0
libsystemd0 |
On 17.06.2017. 00:29, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
fresh troll on our list.
Wrong..I'm an old troll :)
---
[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ uname -a
Linux trios-eudev 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.18-1~bpo8+1
(2017-04-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux
[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desk
On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote:
The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent you from
installing and using OpenRC.
The presence of libsystemd0 means that devuan is not able to function
without systemd.
Dragan
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On 04/11/2017 01:27 AM, aitor_czr wrote:
As i can see, lines like:
As I can see, your version needs one more patch :)
***
---
/media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Aitor/gvfs-master-64caae2fe2bdd1aeb2d65cdcdb326f170718eb2a/debian/control
+++ /media/dragan/TRIOS/TMP/Adam/gvfs-1.22.2/debian/control
@@ -
On 04/10/2017 01:19 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
I removed the dependency on *libsystemd0*:
gvfs (1.22.2-1.0nosystemd1) nosystemd; urgency=medium
* Non-maintainer upload.
* Cure systemd infestation.
-- Adam Borowski Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:28:04 +0100
http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/
The purpose of libsystemd0 is to enable packages whose code has been
'enhanced' with spurious systemd depedencies to work on systemd-less
systems. That's absolutely not harmless.
So, why not remove it? ;>
TRIOS == excellence in simplicity :)
***
[dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ cat /etc
On 07/16/2016 04:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
Unfortunately, I can't find the source code anywhere.
ftp://ftp.ac-grenoble.fr/ge/Xlibraries/
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On 07/13/2016 09:20 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
That's why, although I appreciate efforts like yours and those of a
dozen more who have been experimenting with pinning (we have done that
as well, for months)
Can you explain what is the *essential difference* between
Pin-Priority: -1 for systemd package
On 05/31/2016 09:05 PM, fsmithred wrote:
I do know two ways to install debian jessie without ever installing systemd:
1) Install TRIOS
2)
3)
:)
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On 05/26/2016 01:23 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
capability of respawning daemons that crash? OpenRC can't do that.
OpenRC *can* do that:
---
Automatic respawning crashed services
---
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC
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On 05/24/2016 02:06 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
Is there a link to an instruction how to use (and setup) openrc
together with sysvinit?
I'd like to use openrc as a tool to administrate daemons and services
since i find it a lot more "logical" (easy?).
TRIOS Mia is fully functional Debian j
On 05/01/2016 10:20 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote:
I need this before migrating my wheezy
workstation to Devuan Jessie. So it is urgently needed.
Network manager without systemd dependencies :)
http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/pool/main/n/
Cheers,
Dragan
On 04/12/2016 07:26 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
looking for a systemd-free upgrade path for my work computer
https://foss.rs/threads/trios-mia-openrc-zfs.3057/
:)
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On 12/30/2015 12:03 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
Out of the description it seems to come out of a Devuan dream, both for
what it provides and for what it doesn't.
You can try, deb packages are there:
http://mirror.org.rs/lumina/
Source:
git clone https://github.com/pcbsd/lumina.git
briefly: light
On 12/21/2015 11:03 AM, John Hughes wrote:
At the moment things are all fucked up because there is no long term
alternative to the seat management part of systemd and few people seem
prepared to work on it.
Utterly false claim...systemd is responsible for broken things.
---
1) TRIOS
[d
On 12/20/2015 08:56 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
systemd-shim does not depend on systemd, and it conflicts with
systemd. You cannot install both, as claimed by John Hughes.
apt-cache rdepends systemd-shim
systemd-shim
Reverse Depends:
systemd-shim:i386
systemd:i386
|xfce4-session
systemd
|l
On 12/19/2015 07:33 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
They damage the group
If the group is so weak, that one opponent may threaten it, then
something is wrong with that group, right?
Be smarter, positive...expose arguments, not anger and "bans":)
Math is simple...troll is only one, group has many memb
On 12/19/2015 02:45 PM, John Hughes wrote:
And all the little no-systemd irritations are fixed? hibernation/suspend
and so on?
I don't know...you can try for yourself.. :)
BTW, I think that list of "little no-systemd irritations.." is much
shorter than list of systemd irritations ;)
Why is
On 12/19/2015 01:05 PM, John Hughes wrote:
people who don't want to use systemd are forced into running broken
systems, so I would like to see useful work towards making it possible
to easily run alternatives to systemd.
You're obviously ignorant :)
Rock-solid Debian-jessie-based system withou
On 11/02/2015 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
Here are the distros I've heard of that
have taken an absolute stand not to*ever* default to systemd:
If I may remind you ... Devuan did not even exist when TRIOS was
released :)
Dragan
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On 10/19/2015 05:26 PM, Dave Turner wrote:
devuan alpha and Xfce wouldn't play nicely on my old 6,1 24" iMac.
ctwm worked well but the normal people in the house were not at all happy.
Perhaps moving on to devuan Ceres would be good? All the latest stuff
and Xfce is bound to work!
https://list
On 10/17/2015 05:51 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote:
On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote:
Hi,
Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd
http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/
Interesting. Debian
On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote:
Hi,
Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd
http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/
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Hello everyone,
We made first *unofficial* TRIOS edition for testing on UEFI computers.
http://mirror.org.rs/test/trios-uefi-test1-amd64.iso
In addition to our already standard features (ZFS support, openrc init,
removed systemd dependencies ..) there is one truly unique feature that
separate
Hi Ozi
If I may suggest..it is useful to keep all lb logs with:
lb build | tee "Build - $(date "+%d.%m.%Y - %H:%M").log"
Cheers,
Dragan
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On 05/24/15 02:01 AM, James Powell wrote:
SMF still relies of various other daemons to work
No, real case is exactly opposite...all other daemons relies of SMF.
After initialisation, kernel creates PID 0 (sched), and after that,
starts PID 1 (init).
The init process reads the /etc/inittab and
On 05/24/15 01:44 AM, James Powell wrote:
SMF is more akin to uselessd, s6, and runit. It's an init system only.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/servers-storage-admin/intro-smf-basics-s11-1729181.html
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On 05/23/15 11:54 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
BSD and Solaris
ecosystems are still systemd-free,
And always will be.
SMF is absolutely perfect service manager in comparison with systemd.
---
root@hipster-oi:~# ptree -a
4 kcfpoold
6 zpool-rpool
1 /sbin/init
10/lib/svc/bin/sv
On 04/27/15 11:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
OpenRC edition was astounding.
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# inxi -r
Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.debian.net/
On 04/27/15 10:04 PM, Ingo Schmitt wrote:
deprecated init system?
A simple and stupid tautology...if you do not use something, that does
not automatically mean that nobody uses :)
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On 03/30/15 03:15 PM, Chris Kalin wrote:
I hope it's absolutely true.
https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues/1
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On 03/ 5/15 10:30 PM, Dragan FOSS wrote:
Meanwhile, last night, the situation changed .. obviously, at least for
php5-fpm
I almost forgot .. a few nights ago, also removed dependency in libvirt
Forum thread about that:
https://foss.rs/threads/libvirt-requires-libsystemd0.3827
On 03/ 5/15 08:16 PM, Anto wrote:
The following packages will be REMOVED:
php5-cli php5-fpm php5-imagick
Meanwhile, last night, the situation changed .. obviously, at least for
php5-fpm :)
> But I am not confident enough
Whatever you want .. my message about trios repo was just a sugges
On 03/ 5/15 06:38 PM, Anto wrote:
Unfortunately, your php5-fpm depends on init-system-helpers. So I can
not test that as I don't want to install init-system-helpers, which is
Clean version of init-system-helpers, by Adam Borowski, is also in trios
repo
http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-syst
On 03/ 4/15 04:00 AM, Anto wrote:
I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just
now.
I just removed the systemd from php-fpm, so everyone can test it.
http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd-testing/p/php5/
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[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# apt-
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:17:23 +0100
> From: Jaromil
> To: Go Linux , dng@lists.dyne.org, Luke Kenneth
> Casson Leighton
> Subject: Re: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed
> libsystemd0
> Message-ID: <8264f8fb-a38e-4b9c-9627-f131d7fe8...@dyne.org>
> Content-Type: text/
>Author: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
>Date: 2015-02-17 18:49 +100
>To: dng
>Subject: [Dng] trios already packaging openrc and removed libsystemd0
>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=119836
>
>!! did anyone have a clue that this has already been done? i
>didn't!! :) why is this stuff so
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:27:55 +
> From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0
> from debian and still maintaining a working desktop
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-
> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:39:26 +
> From: Jaromil
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design
> Message-ID: <20150212103926.GA14149@fork>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> let me express my personal concern about the logo being too close to
> t
> Author: Gravis
> Date: 2015-01-14 14:21 +100
> To: dng
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd
> so about TRIOS, what's the deal with the forum site https://foss.rs?
> it claims in the metadata to be lang="en-US" and thusly google
> _REFUSES_ to translate it because it's "already in English".
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 at 8:28 PM
> From: "Go Linux"
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org, "Dragan FOSS"
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd
>
> On Thu, 1/8/15, Dragan FOSS wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd
> To: dng@li
> *** It was not intended for publication but was a reading note. The
> process of team publication is not yet ready: it actually needs team
> work. What was meant is that the projects are similar in their intentions.
>
> ==
> hk
Ok, thanks for explanation, and sorry if i misunderstood somethin
> Hi Dragan,
>
> thank you very much for your work. BTW, do you have any plan to
> provide a TRIOS webpage in english for the few of us who do not
> understand Serbian? :)
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>
Hi KatolaZ,
Is it really possible that someone doesn't understand Serbian? ;)
All joking aside..
> *** Jessie without systemd
>
> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150108.222844.f83bac6d.en.html
>
> The TRIOS team introduces their semi-rolling Debian Jessie based
> OS that aims to work without Systemd. It still uses udev at this
> point. It looks very similar to Devuan, using OpenRC as t
> *** Jessie without systemd
>
> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150108.222844.f83bac6d.en.html
>
> The TRIOS team introduces their semi-rolling Debian Jessie based
> OS that aims to work without Systemd. It still uses udev at this
> point. It looks very similar to Devuan, using OpenRC
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 at 3:38 AM
From: "Martinx - ジェームズ"
To: "Dragan FOSS"
Cc: "Go Linux" , "dng@lists.dyne.org"
Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd
>> If you know how to help us with the correct solution that will immediately
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 at 1:35 AM
> From: "Go Linux"
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org, "Dragan FOSS"
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd
>
> On Thu, 1/8/15, Dragan FOSS wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd
> To: dng@list
This is TRIOS.
Powerfull advanced desktop operating system, with some unique server
capabilities right out of box, yet very easy to use.
Debian Jessie based.
Target audience: ordinary users, but also suitable for power users demands.
Semi rolling model.
Free to use, adapt, change, fork...
Featur
registrattion form are either self-explanatory or filled with default answers (TRIOS/Cinnamon for OS/DE)
Welcome to our forum :)
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 at 1:12 AM
From: Richard
To: "Dragan FOSS"
Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] Jessie without systemd
Unable t
Hello De**an world:)
We invite all forum members to take active participation in internal testing
TRIOS xfce live OpenRC versions, based on Debian Jessie/Testing.
Systemd has been removed to the greatest extent possible in this version
..some elements, like udev and dbus, for now had to be left
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