Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 09:20:11PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote: > > > Just curious... > > > > Why not using CUPS ? > > > > I've been using it since times' night with no issues. > > I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread. > > I have two printers, one at ho

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

2016-04-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 03:18:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:43:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> Hendrik Boom writes: > >> > >> [Brother printer] > >> > >> > I did manage

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now works.

2016-04-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 05:43:10PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > > [Brother printer] > > > I did manage to get the printer going. I should have mentionned long > > ago what the final problem was. > > > > It turns out I was trying to

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now works.

2016-04-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
-0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 05:13:40PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 09:47:02PM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Hendrik Boom > > > wrote: > > > > I installed lpr, and it d

Re: [DNG] asteroids and release names.

2016-04-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 05:58:38PM +, hellekin wrote: > On 04/19/2016 12:36 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Ascii will be the name of version 1, won't it? > > > > 1.0 is Jessie (upcoming beta...) > 2.0 is ASCII > 3.0 is B... > 4.0 is C... What!? Only 26 releases? > ... > sid is CERES > > ==

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 02:17:43PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > On 04/18/2016 07:13 PM, Noel Torres wrote: > >* our own bug reporting system > > > > Hi all, > > I am a bit surprised there is no bug tracker and some other architecture. > > I would like to help make this a reality. Who is "in char

[DNG] jessie, ascii, ceres, and beta.

2016-04-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:01:15AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 09:46:36PM +, Noel Torres wrote: > > Go Linux escribió: > > > > > >This is putting the cart before the horse IMO. It would be nice > > >to get the beta out the door before focusing on ascii. Any > > >cha

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-18 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:11:16AM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > > What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > > > > * our own bug reporting system > yes please Crosslinked where appropriate with similar bugs on other distros, such as Debian, so that an automated script can inform us when

[DNG] asteroids and release names.

2016-04-18 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:41:28AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:13:13 + > Noel Torres wrote: > > > My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that > > at work) so I started wondering... > > > > What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > > > > My

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-18 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:13:13AM +, Noel Torres wrote: > My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that > at work) so I started wondering... > > What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > > My list starts as this: > * full init freedom, that is, all init methods bei

Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

2016-04-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 09:00:44PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I know many of you are using Devuan in production and as your Daily > Driver. Patrick from debian-user expressed some trepidation about > moving to Devuan in his impending escape from a systemd-encumbered > Debian, and I fig

[DNG] devuan-announce and devuan-discuss

2016-04-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 05:33:24PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > however, with the occasion of beta release, two lists will soon be > added to this list: devuan-announce and devuan-discuss. the latter > should be open discussion but only about devuan, while this list 'dng' > will stay as a more generi

Re: [DNG] removing ftp:// from mirrors lists

2016-04-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
Just got this on the debian boot list. They are proposing shutting down ftp for package access. Does that affect us? -- hendrik On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 07:10:38AM +, Peter Palfrader wrote: > Hi, > > talking to several mirror operators on IRC (including fewllow DSA > members), I get the impre

Re: [DNG] Debian is no longer GNU/Linux?

2016-04-11 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 03:25:48PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20:32PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > > I've just visited the DW page[1], which says: > > Debian (formerly Debian GNU/Linux) > > > > I couldn't find any information on that

Re: [DNG] Debian is no longer GNU/Linux?

2016-04-11 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20:32PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > I've just visited the DW page[1], which says: > Debian (formerly Debian GNU/Linux) > > I couldn't find any information on that. > Maybe ye have some? A year or two ago they announced they were going to support BSD as another kernel.

Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)

2016-04-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 08:55:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > I'd just like to mention that Xscreensaver is one of those obnoxious > "convenience features" that I'm always trying to disable. So at least from > my point of view, if it's not installed by default, I'm fine with that. But > I reali

Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.

2016-04-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 10:55:53AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 07:34:02PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > = > > char * read_bbs(){ > > char rtrn[WAY_BIGGER_THAN_EVER_NEEDED]; > > strcpy(rtrn, grab_b

Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.

2016-03-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 03:58:49PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi, > > On 03/31/16 13:38, Emiliano Marini wrote: > >Besides, * and [] are interchangeable. You can define a string as an array > >and use it later as a pointer: > > > >char s[] = "hola"; > >char x = s[1]; // Here x = 'o' > >char y

Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.

2016-03-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 03:18:17PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 03:12:32PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi, thanks for taking time to reply, > > > > KatolaZ wrote: > > >> c) type **ss; // declare a pointer to pointer. System only allocates > > >> space for one address > > >

Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.

2016-03-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 08:38:26AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > +1 > > Besides, * and [] are interchangeable. You can define a string as an array > and use it later as a pointer: > > char s[] = "hola"; > char x = s[1]; // Here x = 'o' > char y = *(s+2); // Here y = 'l' > > And vice vers

Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.

2016-03-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 09:16:22AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi and many thanks for the replies, > > I can understand that a pointer being an address depends heavily on > machine architecture which means, on 32 bit machines it is 4 bytes > long and on 64 bit machines it is 8 bytes long. I als

Re: [DNG] Making sense of C pointer syntax.

2016-03-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 02:46:50PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > This is a wrong assumption and it relies on behaviour the C standard > doesn't guarantee. Any pointer may be converted (it's even converted > automatically as required) to a void * and back and > > "the result shall compare equal

Re: [DNG] audio died again AND GOT RESURRECTED.

2016-03-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:11:58AM +0200, Fred DC wrote: > On 23/03/2016 03:32, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > ... > > Assuming pulseaudio was the culprit (which seems likely) it probably > > was *not* installed when I installed alpha 2. It must have been > > entrained with

Re: [DNG] audio died again AND GOT RESURRECTED.

2016-03-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:42:11AM +, Go Linux wrote: > On Tue, 3/22/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Subject: Re: [DNG] audio died again AND GOT RESURRECTED. > To: "Joel Roth" , dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 6:14 PM > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2016

Re: [DNG] audio died again AND GOT RESURRECTED.

2016-03-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 12:57:02PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Hi Hendrik, > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > My system is an old ASUS netbook. > > > > I installed devuan alpha 2 when it was current, and have upgraded it > > regularly. It should be an up-to-date devu

[DNG] audio died again

2016-03-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
My system is an old ASUS netbook. I installed devuan alpha 2 when it was current, and have upgraded it regularly. It should be an up-to-date devuan jessie, modulo a few days. I've had sound working on this system. Long ago, with debian all I got was laptop loudspeaker sound. When I switched

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 07:13:50PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > Daniel Reurich wrote: > > > *buntu users apparently.. > > *buntu users use *buntu :) > > > Indeed. And you have that option to > > skip creating users in the "expert > > install" method. > > So, this "expert install" has much > more

Re: [DNG] On the wisdom on netboot installer images

2016-03-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 05:19:33PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: > > 3] One complicated solution would be to not destroy > /var/cache/apt/archive on the target when re-installing. It could be > done by having the installer suggest to mount that folder on its own > partition, and then have the installe

Re: [DNG] Microsoft upgrades Windows 7 to 10 without permission

2016-03-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 05:31:37PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:27:14 + > David Harrison wrote: > > > On 16/03/2016 10:49, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > I Dropped back to 7, created a .exe that simply returns to OS, and > > > then replaced c:\Windows\system32\GW

Re: [DNG] sup - a "small is beautiful" tool for UNIX privilege escalation

2016-03-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 09:29:56PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > sup is different from doas, because doas is configured at runtime: > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man5/doas.conf.5 > while sup security model is based on the fact it has its settings > compiled in, so when one p

Re: [DNG] Packaging Vdev

2016-03-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 09:01:32AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 20/03/16 08:56, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > Jude organized the package like this for people to test it on > > running systems without interfering with the existing hotplugger. Vdev > > would create device files and other descr

Re: [DNG] Packaging Vdev

2016-03-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 07:24:48PM +, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > I would argue vdev belongs in / rather than /usr because it is likely to > be necessary to mount filesystems and such. > > The split is somewhat arbitrary these days but historically things needed > during the boot process and

Re: [DNG] Where to get beta?

2016-03-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 03:56:24PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Where can I download Devuan's beta? As far as I know, there isn't a beta yet. I would be happy to be wrong. I installed devuan jessie from the second alpha a long time ago, , upgraded it regularly, and been happy with i

Re: [DNG] X forwarding over SSH over ADSL

2016-03-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:38:15PM +0100, m_maass wrote: > have you consider x2go? For me it is perfect. The Debian instructions on http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:installation:x2goserver say to install x2goserver and x2goserver-xsession. But Devuan jessie provides x2goclient, x2goplugin, x

Re: [DNG] Packaging Vdev

2016-03-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Mar 05, 2016 at 01:31:10PM +, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Daniel, Didier > > >Le 14/03/2016 00:07, Daniel Reurich a écrit : > >>>I'd suggest using a version like: > >>>0.1.jude+ >>> > >>>That way when Jude does switch to versioned releases we can assume his > >>>version scheme easily assumin

[DNG] Cosmetic quibble about aptitude

2016-03-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
I opened aptitude in interactive mode, ad the cursor fell on the category 'New Packages (41265) The nexplanateion panel underneath tole me that These packages have been added to Debian since the last time you cleared the list of "new" packages (choose "forget new packages" from the Actinos menu

[DNG] Roxterm default

2016-03-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 01:58:57PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 05:55:51PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 22:24:56 -0500 > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone know how to tell roxterm not to use chrome

Re: [DNG] Is Devuan Jessie secure enough?

2016-03-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 05:55:51PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 22:24:56 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Anyone know how to tell roxterm not to use chrome as its default > > browser? I've told xfce, and it's now calling firefox,

Re: [DNG] Is Devuan Jessie secure enough?

2016-03-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
worries about Devuan jessie. -- hendrik > > > Edward > > On 08/03/2016, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 09:53:51AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > >> On 08/03/16 06:09, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > A

Re: [DNG] Is Devuan Jessie secure enough?

2016-03-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 09:53:51AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 08/03/16 06:09, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As I am slowly converting my installation into Devuan, I would like to > > ask what others use to access their bank accounts, to pay bills only > > and other money related act

Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager

2016-03-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 10:06:18PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > ssh -X is basically 'straight X' but with the protocol traffic > transparently forwarded over the SSH connection and some convenience > features like "setting up a suitable DISPLAY" and > "handling MIT magic cookie authentication

Re: [DNG] My virtual terminals seem amiss

2016-03-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:28:12PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 08:40:02 -0600 > dev wrote: > > > Hello, > > I noticed today, upon trying to rebuild my nvidia module, that I have > > no login available on the virtual terminals customarily available via > > the keypress [CTRL][ALT

Re: [DNG] Claywand dosplay bananager

2016-03-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 08:33:46PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Teodoro Santoni writes: > > 2016-03-06 18:23 GMT+01:00, Steve Litt : > >> What did they replace X11 forwarding with? (I shudder to ask) > > > > Nothing afaik. > > Some people are enabling VNC for wayland compositors though. > > The

Re: [DNG] OT: Assembly resources

2016-03-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 08:55:20AM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > But be aware that gas is the one GCC uses for in-line assembly embedded in > C programs. So, if you are planning to embed assembly instructions in C > code, you will need to learn gas syntax. I've always wondered how the C code gen

Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal

2016-03-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 03:05:10PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > But this already exists. Eg, the machine I usually use for development > (Debian 6 based) has the following version of libdb installed: > > ii libdb4.2 4.2.52+dfsg-5 Berkeley v4.2 Database Libraries > [runtime] > i

Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal

2016-03-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 08:09:18PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-dynamic-libraries/ > > Sorry the link didn't get through the first time. I hope you find > it useful, Hendrik. Thanks. From this it looks as if there's a table of addresses for the ex

Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal

2016-03-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 02, 2016 at 12:45:22PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 26/02/16 05:01, Ivan J. wrote: > > Hello DnG. > > > > Is there interest in Devuan supporting multiple versions of leveldb? > > It is possible, but is it necessary?? > It would should be relatively easy to forward port the libdb4

Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal

2016-03-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 11:41:46PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > "T.J. Duchene" writes: > > On 2016-03-01 20:22, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > And I disgree with your assessment of this being "a simplified" > description, instead of a fairly complicated and seriously deceptive > one. > > >> As si

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-03-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 02:02:13AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > >I think, window manager user configuration more or less rests on these tasks: > >a) configure some menu structure to access user programs > That's covered by any manager supported by menu-xdg. > >b) configure a keyboard structure

Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal

2016-03-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 10:37:30AM +, Noel Torres wrote: > Let's forget what is NOT important > > "Ivan J." escribió: > [...] > >What I am proposing is Devuan to support multiple versions of leveldb > >and tie Bitcoin packages to the right one. Another option is to never > [...] > > This is

Re: [DNG] Mailinglist (was Re: leveldb support proposal)

2016-02-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 06:17:49PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 03:28:59PM -0600, Don Wright wrote: > > > > Until more specialized forums are available for discussion of specific > > aspects of Devuan, *this* is the place and *now* is the time for ci

Re: [DNG] Mailinglist (was Re: leveldb support proposal)

2016-02-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 03:28:59PM -0600, Don Wright wrote: > > Until more specialized forums are available for discussion of specific > aspects of Devuan, *this* is the place and *now* is the time for civil > discussion of any and all matters of direction and policy. And the most important part

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:41:22PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > I think, window manager user configuration more or less rests on these tasks: > a) configure some menu structure to access user programs > b) configure a keyboard structure to access user programs > c) configure wallpaper and scr

Re: [DNG] [DE] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 03:03:19PM +, hellekin wrote: > On 02/28/2016 07:38 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > I suggest we use this mailing list for communication, and label each > > post with the word DE in capital letters on the subject line. > > Thus they

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 03:03:19PM +, hellekin wrote: > On 02/28/2016 07:38 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > I suggest we use this mailing list for communication, and label each > > post with the word DE in capital letters on the subject line. > > Thus they

Re: [DNG] OT: Assembly resources

2016-02-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 09:07:01PM +0800, Brad Campbell wrote: > > I started with the 6502 and a dead tree of the Apple ][ ROM source a > couple of moons ago. That was so much more pleasant than x86 > assembly, but that method works just as well. x86 has an ugly machine language, and with all the

Re: [DNG] Speaking of Window Managers

2016-02-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 05:14:38PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 08:35:05AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > [cut] > > > > I belive there is little point in asking such questions: you will get > > > as many different answers as the number of peop

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 01:38:38PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > But then, to fill their pocketbooks, Gates and Jobs convinced the world > that only geniuses could use CLI, and all of a sudden you were a > neckbeard if you used CLI. Then Redhat jumped on the bandwagon. To be fair, I was overjoyed

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 02:15:33PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:03:10 +0100 > Edward Bartolo wrote: > > > > If Devuan fails to package XFCE it will be a blow for me as window > > managers are not suitable for my eyesight. > > I don't think anyone suggested removing XFCE f

Re: [DNG] Speaking of Window Managers

2016-02-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 09:42:04AM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:05:50AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Just for fun, I'd like some opinions. If a Window Manager were > > integrated with Dmenu (which is trivially easy usually), what hotkeys > > would you recomm

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:15:13PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > El 27/02/16 13:00, Go Linux escribió: > >Or perhaps, with Go Linux' wallpaper artwork, we*set* the fashion. Has > >anyone seen his theme? It's pretty good. > > > >SteveT > > > > > > > >Correct

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 08:44:37AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2016 26 Feb 17:16 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:46:58 +0100 > > Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > > > > IIUC, LXDE's decision to go Qt was based on the fact that it otherwise > > > and rather sooner than lat

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:31:08PM +, Dave Turner wrote: > On 28/02/16 07:03, Joel Roth wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 02:32:45AM +, hellekin wrote: > >>On 02/27/2016 03:28 AM, Simon Wise wrote: > >>>something as minimal as possible, like above, seems a very good option. > >>I dream of a

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

2016-02-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:59:08PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 25. Februar 2016 schrieb Go Linux: > > I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It seems > > that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in very gnomish > > fashion, featu

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad according to Mark Twain

2016-02-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:04:11PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > [...] > > > Over a year ago, on my systemd debating page, I wrote a section on > > debating Poettering himself, and that section refers heavily to the > > video you mention: > > > > http://troubleshooters.c

[DNG] Runlevels and dist-upgrades

2016-02-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 05:19:28PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2016-02-19 at 15:45 +, Simon Hobson wrote: > > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > > > The abstract definition of 'runlevel' is (as far as I'm aware of it): > > > "Set of processes supposed to be running". > > > > That's what

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 02:52:12PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > KatolaZ wrote: > > > The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux > > servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations, > > and those who can't are switching to something else (either Devuan, or > > other

Re: [DNG] Installing different version of Linux

2016-02-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 09:05:52AM +, Dave Turner wrote: > On 14/02/16 08:55, swdev wrote: > >Hi there > > > >Long time lurker - first post :) > > > >Thanks for all the hard-work from the Devuan developers. > > > >I installed devuan alpha2 maybe a month ago, and am slowly > >installing other ap

Re: [DNG] Trying (again) to compile simple-netaid (was netman)

2016-02-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 01:24:35PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Enzo, > > El 09/02/16 a las 13:00, KatolaZ escribió: > >Hi folks, > > > >I have just downloaded the last version of simple-netaid (ex netman) > >from gitlab, since I was willing to give it another try. I am sorry to > >repeat the sam

Re: [DNG] state of what's working for modern desktop usage

2016-02-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 09:15:28AM +0100, shraptor wrote: > > >>I noticed too that no vdev were installed, expected? > > > >Vdev is still in its final stages of development, as far as I know. > >Running on developpment asd some test systems, but still being > >thorougly tested on corner cases befo

Re: [DNG] state of what's working for modern desktop usage

2016-02-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 11:04:44AM +1100, Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: > Hi, > > From a debian jessie 8.3 with gnome I did an upgrade to devuan, but I got > many issues: > - I had to remove manually systemd once rebooted > - An apt autoremove actually did remove all gnome. > > Then from a desktop

Re: [DNG] Easynetaid is for now netman's new name

2016-02-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 02:00:26PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > I did all necessary changes in the netman project to rename it to: > "easynetaid" which is unique on google. That is a good name. Simple, unique, and descriptive. I wish all names were as good. -- hendrik _

Re: [DNG] writable efi

2016-02-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:36:15PM +, Go Linux wrote: > On Sat, 2/6/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Subject: [DNG] writable efi > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 1:26 PM > > On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: >

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 06:30:38PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users > and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, > grr! Wuff, wu. > > However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name

[DNG] writable efi

2016-02-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: > Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under sysvinit? > Apologies if I missed the answer to this question in this long thread. Not on my nonefi devuan jessie alpha2 system. Anyone have an efi jessie to report on? -- hend

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 04:19:07PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Each of the mounted filesystems provides a set of methods implementing > the filesystem syscalls for this kind of filesystem and there are no > restriction regarding what these method might do. Eg, one could create a > filesystem

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:38:10PM -0500, fsmithred wrote: > On 02/05/2016 08:48 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > Didier Kryn wrote: > >> > >> The ability to brick the motherboard is brand new. Therefore admins > >> should be seriously protected and warned against this eventuality, at least > >> until

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:47:45PM +0100, shraptor wrote: > On 2016-02-05 21:12, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I will NOT name the project after myself; I even abstained from > >voting. My project was written to HELP; I am not after > >self-appraisal... > > That's too bad cause I honestly th

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 11:39:15AM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > > Of course, unless you physically remove support for the virtual > filesystem, then there's nothing to stop any program with enough > privileges to mount the filesystem when it wants. And that's the proble with the root model of a

Re: [DNG] Vote for/against netman name change

2016-02-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:03:24AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > This mail thread is intended to collect votes regarding netman's name > change. The question is: > > Do you agree to renaming netman? > > The answers should be YES and NO. No long replies needed, I will > adhere to the

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 04:36:36PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 11:24:16AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > I suggest netwiz. Or ifwiz, which does not exist on google. I would > > > avoid ipwiz, since there appar

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 02:51:14PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:41:53PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 02/03/2016 03:28 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > >I like netmgr and netmanx. > > > > > >"mgr" is more suggestive of manager than &

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 02:48:07PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > What about netmgr? The current name netman gives associations on having to do > with manual stuff. I like netmgr and netmanx. "mgr" is more suggestive of manager than "man" is. And netmanx is fun. But I think netmgr is more de

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-01-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 07:22:05PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > > [...] > > > After thet there are probably a variety of data structures that can > > keep track of all the allocations and free spaces. on the Lnuxes I've > > b

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-01-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 04:39:15PM +, Go Linux wrote: > On Sun, 1/31/16, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2016, 10:17 AM > > Le 31/01/2016 02:18, Go Linux a écrit : > > >I am just now upgrading Jess

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-01-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 05:14:00PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > Flor‎ian Zieboll wrote:‎ > > >The new syntax works fine on my Jessie systems, no need for > >double e‎ntries. > > Nice :) > > >It is running sysv-init with XDM > >and DWM / JWM and all the "major components" > >like dbus, udev and eve

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-01-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 02:28:57PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > Lately, I have been pondering how memory managers deal with a > situation, when memory is fragmented with scattered allocated blocks, > in the event a memory allocation request, is made for a memory chunk, > whose size is bi

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:16:04PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote: > > Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without > > libsystemd0? > > libsystemd0 is benign. The new dependency on libpam-systemd is worse, as

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 02:45:34PM +0100, richard lucassen wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:46:20 + > KatolaZ wrote: > > > And what is exactly your plan to have Devuan somehow merged "into > > Debian", given that any attempt to criticise, even in a constructive > > manner, any systemd-related

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

2016-01-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 01:21:07PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > richard lucassen writes: > > Daniel Reurich wrote: > > > >> > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and > >> > this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in > >> > Debian. > >> > >> Not

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 04:07:00PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:15:01 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > > > * In the "configure package manager" sec

Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:16:22AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:44:54 +, Rainer wrote in message > <87powmdcy1@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>: > > > Steve Litt writes: > > > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:42:59 +0100 > > > > > >> > And that begs the question: "Who i

Re: [DNG] Jessie netboot alpha2 (AMD64)

2016-01-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > * In the "configure package manager" section the installer suggests to > choose "security updates" from security.debian.org. According to a > mail on this list from some weeks ago, this is deprecated. Looks like I missed thi

Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop.

2016-01-27 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 05:57:45PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > I heard that M$ is forcing the laptop makers to enable TPM, and > prevent it from being disabled, else they aren't allowed to install > windows. Having a choice of OS to install is great, but doesn't TPM > mean that GNU/Linux can't

Re: [DNG] Purchasing a new computer/laptop.

2016-01-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 07:46:40PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > Call me paranoid but I am noticing big companies like Microsoft making > it very difficult to buy a computer or laptop without Windows > installed. > > Are you experiencing the same difficulty and what do you do when yo

Re: [DNG] Icerbergs aren't small just because they're mostly underwater

2016-01-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 01:47:46PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 25/01/2016 13:23, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : > > while (*r) if (*r++ == '/') n = r; > > Does it mean > > while (*r) > { > if (*r == '/') > { >n = r; >r++; > } > }

Re: [DNG] Does dunst require dbus?

2016-01-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 02:30:15PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Thanks for the links. Actually I think I derived my PS1 settings > from an example found in some default .bashrc. I found the colors by > try and fail, or maybe I looked at what ncurses was producing. Of > course you don't want t

Re: [DNG] "Common knowledge?"-question

2016-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:45:30AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:34:28 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > Can the effect of the following C function > > > > static void print_start(char const *name, char const *what) > > { > > char *buf, *p; > > unsigned name_len, w

Re: [DNG] "Common knowledge?"-question

2016-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 04:45:05PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/01/2016 12:16, Didier Kryn a écrit : > > > >I'm curious of the reason why you specify > > static void print_start(char const *name, char const *what) > > > >This means the pointers to the arrays of characters are > >cons

Re: [DNG] Does dunst require dbus?

2016-01-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 04:57:28PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 21/01/2016 12:33, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >So I tried installing it, and found that it recommended zeroinstall-injector. > >Anyone know what this is? It seems to be a "platform-independent > >package

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