Re: [DNG] netman packages

2015-11-17 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:02:07AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Except for [...] it all went smoothly until: > > Now signing changes and any dsc files... > signfile netman_0.1.1~468c97d-jessie2.dsc Aitor Cuadrado Zubizarreta > > gpg: skipped "Aitor Cuadrado Zubizarreta ": > secret key not avai

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package

2015-11-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
do, if properly configured. The developer intends to call wpa_* directly at some point; I hope that he takes the opportunity to make it use wpa_supplicant's abilities. > > I don't know where wicd is in this plot. It's a two-par

Re: [DNG] dbus, Was Re: Systemd-free network-manager package

2015-11-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
nted in one of the threads Miroslav posted in; but as far as documentation goes, I see only a two and a half year old page mentioning it as a possible but untested solution. (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DBusRemote/) There's also a third-party program to impleme

Re: [DNG] Office pack

2015-11-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 01:47:37PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:50:27 + (UTC) > Mitt Green wrote: > > I > > can't be sure about word processor, speaking of numerous AbiWord > > issues. > > Honestly, if you can run MSWord under Wine, you'll have a better word > processor th

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
quests. Of course, Quirky doesn't have a real 'host' distro; it is (was?) built from T2, which is a source-based distro not many people have heard of. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] busybox

2015-10-31 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 05:30:15PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > How do you guys like this:? > http://git.busybox.net/busybox/commit/?id=accd9eeb719916da974584b33b1aeced5f3bb346 :), though I hadn't heard about it despite being on the Busybox list. A lot of the people over there are *at least* as o

Re: [DNG] OpenRC: was s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
cake: most of the functionality that's implemented in shell functions calling several external helpers in sysv-rc is instead handled in a fairly small multi-call binary. And it works close enough to sysv-rc overall that it's fairly easy to make the move...only a lot of the things that were less obvious now have simple tools. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Isaac Dunham
le internet connection in ~20 seconds (the first 12 or so being BIOS+GRUB), and I'm annoyed if I can't start mutt immediately without any problems. For my parents, if the computer can't connect in the first two minutes, they might never find out that it actually does connect. And on a rout

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-12 Thread Isaac Dunham
e i will > include a list of contributors soon; i just would not like > to imply an endorsement while you actually think it sucks. ;-) Thanks. ;-) One detail I'm not sure if you implemented: I suggested that default be to create .../$UID if needed, but you can pass "-n" to

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-11 Thread Isaac Dunham
ser has "fully logged out". Does it mean that no processes > run with the user's identity anymore? That the user has no > X session running? That the user has no PAM session running? > And, if any of these mean that the user has "fully logged > out", h

Re: [DNG] xf86-input-evdev

2015-09-05 Thread Isaac Dunham
require something that has no Debian packaging yet. There are also two other options: - comment out that function and disable device hotplug in Xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d - replace the function with one that does all the work itself. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] wpa_supplicant/ifup integration documentation

2015-09-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 10:05:01AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 01/09/2015 04:10, Isaac Dunham a écrit : > >I simply would like to write to the file without *losing* all the comments > >that are there, which is what will happen if you use > > wpa_cli save_config >

Re: [DNG] wpa_supplicant/ifup integration documentation

2015-08-31 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 09:38:12AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Sorry, this thread became private my my mis-clicking on Icedove. > > Le 30/08/2015 22:37, Isaac Dunham a écrit : > >On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:58:59PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > >>Le 28/08/2015 04:2

Re: [DNG] docker/virtualization (was: The show goes on...)

2015-08-30 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 09:11:01PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > And all along I thought a "dock" had to do with a place to put program > icons on a desktop and that "docker" was a tool to handle it. I've > ignored everything about virtual machines except for Virtual Box and > QEMU. > > Evidently

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: ???su??? command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
discussion on either list over the last couple weeks). HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] strange characters when using 'examine' in aptitude

2015-08-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 03:01:26PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > On 29/08/15 01:37, Isaac Dunham wrote: > >On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 08:45:51AM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > >>I run devuan unstable 'ceres' on my Toshiba laptop and my iMac. > >>It all works with just

Re: [DNG] strange characters when using 'examine' in aptitude

2015-08-28 Thread Isaac Dunham
is command output: env |grep -e TERM -e LC -e LANG -e LOCALE I ask these because I'm *guessing* that it's one of the following: -you don't have TERM pointing to an installed & correct termcap/terminfo database -your localization is screwy -you have

Re: [DNG] wpa_supplicant/ifup integration documentation

2015-08-27 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:29:31AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 25/08/2015 03:40, Isaac Dunham a ??crit : > >For your perusal, here's an overview of how they work together; it's a 100+ > >line summary. > >If anyone wants more details, here are some sources: &

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-26 Thread Isaac Dunham
d/ -f5 For wireless, check for the files "phy80211" or "wireless". The equivalent can be done trivially in C with readdir(); ask if you'd like an example. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] netman GIT project

2015-08-25 Thread Isaac Dunham
pa_supplicant/functions.sh, which runs quoted strings through echo/sed, then passes the value of IF_WPA_SSID as an argument to wpa_cli_do, which is a shell function that calls wpa_cli. I have no idea whether the \ escapes hold up to all that, but as long as you have them adequately escaped, they do n

[DNG] wpa_supplicant/ifup integration documentation

2015-08-24 Thread Isaac Dunham
need to read the scripts for a practical understanding of how it works, but the interfaces, wpa_cli, and wpa_action manpages are rather helpful for understanding the glue. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, Didier! HTH, Isaac Dunham wpa_supplicant and ifup integration ifup is a one-shot com

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-20 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 08:30:44PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > On 19/08/2015 17:39, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > >#define IFACE_TMPL \ > > "auto lo\n" \ > > "iface lo inet loopback\n\n" \ > > "iface wlan0 inet dhcp\n" \ > > "wpa-ssid %s\n" \ > > "wpa-psk \"%s\"\n" > > > >

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-18 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 02:19:20PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 18/08/2015 12:49, Edward Bartolo a écrit : > >At the moment I am stuck trying to use sudo to run ifup from within my > >frontend. > Just in case, here are a few things I know about wpa_supplicant: > > wpa_supplicant does if

Re: [DNG] Wireless configuration tools (was: Re: Systemd Shims)

2015-08-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
is lacking the LSB initscript headers, but should be usable via the standard sysv-rc interface (/etc/init.d/wpanet start/stop/...). For a "pocket Linux", I'd suggest ditching the init scripts and adding the relevant stuff to your rc script. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [hai...@histomat.net: Re: Alpha2 without desktop environment]

2015-08-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:07:45PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > When I startx, I'm still in vesa (?) mode. The Xorg log file says it > is using configuration directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory. The > only error is: > > (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [COPY] failed to allocate class > > don't know w

[DNG] Wireless configuration tools (was: Re: Systemd Shims)

2015-08-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
s possible, but I'm the only user I'm aware of, so no promises ;-). The full git tree is at: https://github.com/idunham/wpanet The script in question is: https://github.com/idunham/wpanet/blob/master/tools/wpa_config HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [hai...@histomat.net: Re: Alpha2 without desktop environment]

2015-08-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 07:43:04AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > I reiinstalled (avoiding past missteps), to a console, and from it > installed xorg and fluxbox. I then ran xstart from console and all went > well. > > With one exception. I'm in what looks like VGA mode with large crude > characters

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment

2015-08-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 11:54:06AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:25:06 -0700 > Isaac Dunham wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 07:01:11AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > > The aim is to boot to a console prompt, log in as root, install > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan and upstream

2015-08-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:42:14PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:02:22PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Seems to me there's something weird, both, in libreoffice depending on > > just one single version of libstdc++, and in libklabxml being broken by this > > version o

Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment

2015-08-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
but for some reason root log in not working. I suppose that > when I provided a password I mistyped. At the grub menu, edit the kernel commandline to change "root=... ro ..." to "root=... rw ... init=/bin/bash" Then run "passwd", sync a

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-09 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 09:44:11PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 18:14:10 -0700 > Isaac Dunham wrote: > > > Hello, > > I'm looking for a Linux distro that I could recommend to friends who > > are rather frustrated with Windows 10. > > The f

[DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

2015-08-09 Thread Isaac Dunham
, Otter, and Iceweasel; I haven't used OO/LO much in the last 3 years; I spend most of my time in the terminal; the only desktop I use is CDE; ... So I'd like some recommendations for something a little more mainstream. Thanks, Isaac Dunham _

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

2015-08-09 Thread Isaac Dunham
ce or branding. I quote the same source: In Windows IoT Core scenarios OEMs may prefer to have no visible Windows or Microsoft presence. [1] Windows 10 IoT Core Insider Preview: Overview and Getting Started http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?linkid=532966 HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

2015-08-08 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 01:43:36AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 22:10:13 -0700 > Isaac Dunham wrote: > > > Try Alpine Linux (alpinelinux.org). > > Install docs are here: > > http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Installation > > [snip] > > &g

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

2015-08-08 Thread Isaac Dunham
7;re comfortable with debootstrap, that should be fine. -make sure to install a kernel (linux-vanilla | linux-grsec on x86). -init is Busybox init, with OpenRC on top. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

2015-08-08 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 09:43:47AM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 08/08/2015 03:43, Isaac Dunham wrote: > >Which, fortunately, is pretty easy to do: I wrote an environment > >sanitizer yesterday, because I was curious how easily solved that is. > >Usage is > >cautenv

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

2015-08-07 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 05:14:28PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 06/08/2015 16:31, Isaac Dunham wrote: > >If differences in environment can cause problems, it's a problem with > >design. A program that changes what it does just due to differences > >between the in

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

2015-08-06 Thread Isaac Dunham
esn't define exactly what you should say, and the lowest > common denominator is "is it alive?" but even for this basic check, > daemon-specific interfaces are used. The status command was originally "is it running?", but yes, that&#x

[DNG] How to turn on package builds for a repo in gitlab?

2015-08-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
Hello, I'm sure this has been explained previously somewhere, but how do I turn on package builds for a repo in gitlab? I think mdev is about ready for experimental/. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Keeping mailing list alive - A question about error on re-compiling package

2015-08-01 Thread Isaac Dunham
t? Do you mean no such *file*, or no such *string*? If the former, see if you can find that string in debian/rules. Also, google suggests that this has something to do with cdbs; make sure that's installed. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

2015-08-01 Thread Isaac Dunham
hose, you'll have to poke around and see what you can find (mdev-like-a-boss repo suggested as a starting point). Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

2015-08-01 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:39:22PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 30/07/2015 01:09, Isaac Dunham a écrit : > >I'm not sure where in the discussion this fits, but I thought I'd mention > >it here: > >Permitting all mount invocations via sudo does have a potential

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

2015-07-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
trary command by specifying the mount type. I don't think that sudo does the necessary steps to block this. If you use a wrapper script, you can make it automatically determine the type and run ntfs-3g if appropriate, then allow sudo to run that. If you us

Re: [DNG] nlmon

2015-07-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 05:17:30PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Isaac Dunham writes: > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 01:21:04PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> Isaac Dunham writes: > >> > Or you can do it with mount, sudo, sh, and nlmon > >> > (ht

Re: [DNG] nlmon (was: A better default windows manager)

2015-07-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 01:21:04PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Isaac Dunham writes: > > Or you can do it with mount, sudo, sh, and nlmon > > (http://git.r-36.net/nlmon). > > Using poll to wait for a message followed by recvmsg for reading it > offers (in absence of

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-28 Thread Isaac Dunham
-libc-dev, and a working make and compiler. I will note, however, that you currently need to make one small change in nlmon.c before compiling it: change "write(0," to "write(1,". This example can be run from a user session; if one prefers,

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread Isaac Dunham
t, though that isn't quite perfect. (It probably doesn't do quite enough error checking, and I think the pgrep invocation may be wrong. Also, I don't think it has a -pidfile option, though I could add that without too much work...adding -quiet was trivial.) HTH, Isaac Dunham _

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

2015-07-23 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:14:21AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > On 7/23/2015 10:41 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > >I'm inclined to agree with you on C++, but I'd like to refer you to Roger > >Leigh's comments on the subject about seven and a half months ago; &g

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

2015-07-23 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 09:30:04PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > > > ... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is > > > documented on a random

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

2015-07-23 Thread Isaac Dunham
repositories for Devuan. It is my understanding, based on my previous examination of the repositories, that nothing in there would have to change for Devuan. Does that clarify anything? HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

2015-07-23 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:49:11PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/07/2015 22:19, Isaac Dunham a écrit : > >On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > >>> > >>>For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me that &g

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

2015-07-23 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200 > Michael Bütow wrote: > > > > I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus > > related software in Devuan, they can set up their own spin of it. > > For those of you who don'

Re: [DNG] Thorsten Glaser? was: Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

2015-07-23 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:23:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:18:22 +0200 > miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > > > > What fundamentalists? The Gentoo folks? Thorsten mirabilos Glaser with > > his MirDebian "WTF" project, a fundamentalist? Me, a fundamentalist? > > What'

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

2015-07-22 Thread Isaac Dunham
private bind-mount over /dev.) In theory, that should be a pretty small amount of work. But I don't have any hardware suitable for testing, and don't feel that it really justifies getting said hardware. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

2015-07-22 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:59:56PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 22/07/2015 10:00, Oz Tiram wrote: > >One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current > >hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] > > > > > Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look like > > > c

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-19 Thread Isaac Dunham
alternatives(8) for more details. > Anyway, the solution is already established, nothing will change in > jessie, for ascii a menu will permit to choose the default editor, > vim-tiny will be installed in any case. I honestly hope that this "choose the default editor" menu does

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:44:21AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Hendrik Boom" > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Micky Del Favero wrote: > >> I vote to put vi as default editor in devuan because vi is the default > >> editor in every unix since ever

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
it doesn't have the cheat sheet at the bottom of the screen, it tells you how to get help, and that help is more useful than nano's. As a bonus for those who prefer RSI, it comes with a 'jmacs' mode that imitates emacs (which, of course, I have not tested). There's also j

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
t freedom of choice. We're not talking about much disk space, but it's acceptable to more users than any of the alternatives. It's a nice thought, but I don't see it being a good idea at this time. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
places sysv-rc (the boot script framework) rather than init. In terms of how you run the scripts, it's fairly interchangeable; the most significant difference from sysv-rc is how you write the scripts, but even that is a matter of writing shell functions rather than case stat

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
see that one become default, but I realize that nano is one of a very limited number of editors that provide adeqaute help on-screen; mcedit is the other one that I know of. > exim -> postfix I'd probably only be using ssmtp, nullmailer, or suc

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Isaac Dunham
/[0-9]*|wc -l = 103), it reports 7880 forks. Thanks, Isaac Dunham /* Written by Isaac Dunham in the year of our Lord 2015 * No rights reserved, all warranties disclaimed. * (You can do whatever you want, but entirely at your own risk.) * * A small forkbomb-ish test program intended to test ho

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Isaac Dunham
hat needs GTK, a time daemon, and a DNS server all in the same package if they are not going to be combined and are "modular". Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 10, Issue 12

2015-07-04 Thread Isaac Dunham
g (mercurial) are OSS4 and Firefox. Emacs just switched from Bazaar to git. Understanding the Debian packaging system is probably going to be helpful; here's the New Maintainer's Guide: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html debian/rules is written in Make, so you

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
subsystem-match=block through awk or sed, and use the derived information with pmount. But if you mean to make this widespread, make it easy to turn off. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 01:21:15PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:47:55AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > What will be the alternatives? ALSA never worked for me to a usefull > > state. It has partly translated config files but not in the parser, has > > always cracking sou

Re: [DNG] [Dng] vdev status update: device properties and udev compatibility

2015-06-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
consumer of Busybox and have never tried > to dig into the source. Are you, or anybody in this list, able to submit a > patch to busybox blkid? What information fields from -p are needed? Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Packages aren't the only path to alternate inits

2015-06-18 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 09:47:21AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 21:29:36 +1200 > Daniel Reurich wrote: [snip] > > And if each of those -*-init packages depended on their > > respective init system, and each of those init systems provide the > > virtual package "init" (as is the

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-17 Thread Isaac Dunham
er your questions more fully--and quite likely more accurately; I don't know who else here has a background in this off the top of my head. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [Dng] Hal and Vdev

2015-06-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 02:55:09PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: > Hi Isaac, > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > I've looked at https://github.com/cshorler/hal-flash, and here's what > > I can make out: > > - This version uses dbus to

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:42:37AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 07:40:18AM -0700, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > But watching for file creation seems like a case of refusing to work > > with the package manager. > > Not quite... it lets you reread them if t

Re: [DNG] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
mishap or otherwise, didn't get deleted upon package deletion. IIRC, a config file (anything under /etc) that has been modified will not be removed unless its package is purged or the sysadmin deletes it manually. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [Dng] epoch feature request

2015-06-16 Thread Isaac Dunham
d if modified unless you specify to replace them. But watching for file creation seems like a case of refusing to work with the package manager. For option 3: https://wiki.debian.org/DpkgTriggers HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Hal and Vdev

2015-06-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
orage.size is free space or total size, but it's an unsigned 64-bit value. The system serial numbers are stored in /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/*_serial but are chmod 0400 (readable only to root). libhal_device_get_property_{int,double}() are stubs. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Readiness notification

2015-06-15 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 09:12:36PM +0200, Klaus Hartnegg wrote: > Am 14.06.2015 um 23:17 schrieb Isaac Dunham: > >Quite honestly, it really *does* matter to me that I can boot Alpine > >Linux on my netbook in ~5 seconds rather than the ~10 seconds > > Just a single issue cau

Re: [Dng] Readiness notification

2015-06-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 01:14:51AM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 15/06/2015 00:36, Isaac Dunham wrote: > >I think that a program that must run in the background is broken. > >Yet *prohibiting* auto-backgrounding imposes an even more heavy toll > >on scripts where requir

Re: [Dng] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

2015-06-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
ed (and required) non-free fonts. Artifex Software (the company that wrote and maintained both) has since merged it with GhostScript (GhostPDL), though I'm not sure what the license deal is. There were a few forks of GhostScript, though AFAICT "Ghost Trap" is the only active one. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Readiness notification

2015-06-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
setup process if (supervised || background_option) { write(pipefds[1], "1", 1); close(pipefds[1]); } Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Readiness notification

2015-06-14 Thread Isaac Dunham
Path to the network configuration script invoked by dhclient when it gets a lease. If unspecified, the default /sbin/dhclient-script is used. Busybox udhcpc and toybox dhcp use "-s" for this. You could use the script to start the network tools d

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-04 Thread Isaac Dunham
ething getting into debian non-free require your claims to be false for that package, if it isn't a downloader or installer. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread Isaac Dunham
would need such-and-such", without glossing over the fact that there are downsides to selecting it. This should be information presented before the user selects repos to enable. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

2015-06-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
.. There are no shortage of ways to set it up. > I believe that people who are opposed to systemd are similar to me - we > prefer simplicity over complex solutions, and are not impressed by bells > and whistles. Thus, I think people who are attracted to Devuan would be a > good market for a

Re: [Dng] OT: separate GUI from commands

2015-06-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 12:19:51PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 07:16:55PM -0700, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 04:54:53PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > > > On 27/05/2015 12:12, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > >I'm in th

Re: [Dng] I want to mount a Packages page, buildd and Wanna-build system

2015-06-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
ially related but perhaps not part of the same code: Does anyone know what it takes to make Aptitude support downloading changelogs from non-Debian packages? Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] OT: separate GUI from commands

2015-05-28 Thread Isaac Dunham
our frontends: terminfo-based (curses was derived from the code for this), tk, motif, and gtk. I ended up finding out this as a result of making the motif frontend build/work again. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[Dng] Unexpected upgrades when updating...

2015-05-24 Thread Isaac Dunham
googleearth via googleearth-package. It depends on lsb-core, which depends on the same version of lsb-release and lsb-base; apparently lsb-core has been rebuilt without rebuilding lsb-release and lsb-base, since they are unavailable. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ D

Re: [Dng] The basic of building package

2015-05-21 Thread Isaac Dunham
bian/patches. You will need to "add" files that you want to edit *before* changing them. * git's default format is: --- a/ +++ b/ You do not need to do anything other than make sure that everything has been committed to git before you start editing; git will store the contents of the rep

Re: [Dng] A novice attempt to speed up Devuan development

2015-05-17 Thread Isaac Dunham
rking, and mountnfs.sh should not use paths under /usr, because /usr could be a (possibly remote) mount. Configuring /dev with something in /usr is particularly bad; coincidentally, eudev was forked partly because systemd-udev started complaining about configurations with a separate /u

Re: [Dng] Which source version fo systemd are you stripping code from?

2015-05-07 Thread Isaac Dunham
to be *almost* enough to get started; etcnet-options.5 is almost enough to do something; but the real documentation is in examples/. Unfortunately, there's no example of how to do wireless via WPA. I also see that it's meant to work with the hotplug scripts, and that it amounts to "a diffe

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

2015-05-05 Thread Isaac Dunham
install of Debian and some script that can properly configure the result as a VM/container (if it's even possible to use systemd in a container). HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-05 Thread Isaac Dunham
;d think that this is OK, apart from the question of whether all packages can be rebuilt on a Devuan system. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

2015-05-05 Thread Isaac Dunham
to create a trigger for dpkg which will run "rm -rf /etc/systemd"... HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Linux boot documentation

2015-05-05 Thread Isaac Dunham
sociated device disappears. By default, udev automatically loads non-blacklisted modules based on the hardware it detects. On a systemd-based system, udev is mandatory; it is not a part of pid 1, though it is built from the systemd source. If you can figure out what module is causing the crash, you

Re: [Dng] Linux boot documentation

2015-05-04 Thread Isaac Dunham
hat acts like a standard initscript in just a few lines. Minimal Process Management: I'd suggest a couple changes to the wording of the list: 1. *Mount* /proc and /sys 2. Populate /dev; initialize drivers and create devices in response to hotplug events (typically via udev, eudev, vdev, mdev) On the whole, it's a fairly good overview. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-05-03 Thread Isaac Dunham
elevant even with containers, unless you can set them up so that all administration takes place externally. A possible use for /sbin on a non-containerized system is to bind-mount an empty directory over /sbin/ in a private mount namespace for all non-administrative users. Thanks, Isaac Dunham

Re: [Dng] Debian Dev: anti-systemd people hate women; thus respectable people should not support anti-systemd stance.

2015-05-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
cially about the target, though perhaps it's excusable to acknowledge the stupidity that some code has. (Insult the *code* if needed; not the coder, and even more certainly not the users.) I try to delete mails and threads that end up like this. Thanks, Isaac Dunham __

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
post-install script that: > > > * sets up config files needed to generate persistent device names > > > > Install config files, marked as such. > > It's more involved than that--the /etc/vdev/ifnames.conf file needs to be > generated from the host's network interfaces, for example (like the > /etc/udev/rules.d directory). But obviously surmountable :) Ah, yes. "*Persistent* device names". Personally, I've never had an occasion to use them, and figure that loading the drivers manually in order would be enough if I wanted that. /sys/class/net// may have the information on Linux. HTH, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-28 Thread Isaac Dunham
/init-top/devmanager -> /etc/alternatives/rd-dev-manager/devmanager-top /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/devmanager -> /etc/alternatives/rd-dev-manager/devmanager-bottom An alternative is just have udev/vdev/mdev all Provide:/Conflict: device-manager, and initramfs-tools can depend on that; but this is clumsy. Thanks, Isaac Dunham ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Story: Debian Jessie laptop without systemd

2015-04-26 Thread Isaac Dunham
#x27;s got a rudimentary dialog interface for generating and extending wpa_supplicant.conf that should be able to use xdialog or whiptail). The configuration part was not the point of wpanet; it was about starting wpa_supplicant and a dhcp client without relying on sleep, but there is an interface that I

Re: [Dng] Boot sequence: was vdev status update

2015-04-18 Thread Isaac Dunham
When the init program whose location >was passed to the kernel runs, it runs as PID 1, and can spawn (or >manage if desired) other programs. As far as I know, if the initramfs init program completes, the kernel panics. It needs to mount the new / on a mountpoint (traditionally /

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