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database format.
After downgrade I had to install mysql-server from backports to make it
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a default in Debian. In Devuan this
is not a default, so I accidently upgraded ALL packages :-(
https://wiki.debianforum.de/Backports
/"Man braucht dabei (seit Squeeze) keine Angst mehr vor unerwarteten
Aktualisierungen haben, da keine Backports automatisch installiert
werden"
Hi all,
I tried to remove libsystemd0 but I found 2 packages depend on
libsystemd0: php5-fpm and transmission-daemon.
Is there a reason why these packages need libsystemd?
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I just installed Devuan on Odroid C2 with success.
Install Maverics Debian Jessie:
http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=19403
Then follow this guide:
https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181
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one working one fortunately: 3.16
> kernel with virtualbox 4.3.
>
Don't blame Debian, blame Virtualbox. Try VMware Workstation Player.
Long time ago I switched from Virtualbox to VMware, because it was so buggy.
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Am 2017-03-12 19:10, schrieb goli...@dyne.org:
Can any of these alternative adblocking tools block elements within a
page? AdblockPlus allows for that and I use it almost every day.
What do you mean with "elements wihin a page"? Every ad is loaded
through a url, and if the host of this url i
Am 2017-03-13 22:13, schrieb Steve Litt:
A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response.
It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif.
How do you do that?
You can use pixelserv on some machine in your network that is always on,
or simply run it on loca
Am 2017-03-14 12:34, schrieb Brad Campbell:
+10 for privoxy. Does a great job of ad-removal for me and one
instance does the whole house :)
I agree, privoxy is really fine. I consider using it for my old Asus
eeePC. This netbook is a bit too slow with chromium.
But there is one problem and I
Am 2017-03-15 02:37, schrieb Steve Litt:
Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of
people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt
on it please.
Mee too.
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Please can someone try to load http://www.dhl.de with surf?
I get a segmentation fault when opening this page.
That happens woth both, the version from stable and the version from
backports.
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it's an issue with i386?
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like some data type mismatch in some C function call. Maybe the
problem is in webkit?
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Am 2017-03-18 18:18, schrieb Steve Litt:
I was hoping I could reproduce your problem. My Surf is no angel, it
sometimes hangs and sometimes vanishes, but it pulled up that website
perfectly.
Hi Steve,
is your system 32-bit or 64-bit? I think the issue is 32-bit related.
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Am 18.03.2017 um 23:41 schrieb Steve Litt:
> 64 bit, and it's Surf 0.7.
That confirms my theory that only 32 bit systems are affected.
Do you have a 32 bit system at hand and can proove that?
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Now I compiled the latest version from git with symbols and did a
backtrace under gdb:
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0xaa5c5a00 in ?? ()
(gdb) backtrace
#0 0xaa5c5a00 in ?? ()
#1 0xfffb in ?? ()
#2 0xae3d99c0 in ?? ()
#3 0xaa5c59eb in ?? ()
#4 0xabc51f1c in ?? ()
Am 2017-03-29 13:11, schrieb Héctor A. Abreu:
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/hollywood/ppa/ubuntu jessie main
# deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/hollywood/ppa/ubuntu jessie main
Err http://ppa.launchpad.net jessie/main i386 Packages
404 Not Found
Lauchnpad PPAs are for Ubuntu, not for Deb
I have a simple openbox desktop and installed xfce4-power-manager. It
handles most events fine (battery, brightness) but there is no action on
lid close. The net is full of those reports, but most have to do with
systemd/logind, which we don't have on Devuan.
Any ideas what could be wrong in De
Am 2017-04-02 18:03, schrieb γραφω λογον:
I have suspend on lid close working on fluxbox. ACPI handles it. It's
just a matter of adding a few lines to a text configuration file.
I know. I used acpi event scripts on some of my notebooks. But on my new
Thinkpad X230 the brightness keys don't wor
Am 2017-04-07 14:10, schrieb Miroslav Rovis:
Is this being worked on, because this is still the case?
And it's very ugly... What users see in their browsers is the usual
awful, hidious warning
I'm wondering why they don't use Letsencrypt and use certbot for
automatic renewal.
https://certbo
Hi,
how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without gvfs
PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to user mount
external drives without gvfs?
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Am 2017-04-09 10:43, schrieb Florian Zieboll:
I use spacefm. With some config-tweaking it is a perfect (and much more
flexible) replacement for pcmanfm and alike:
Thanks for that hint. SpaceFM in conjunction with udevil is great. So I
can get rid of this ugly gvfs. gfvs is broken by design, b
Hi,
how is the grub background image set on Devuan? I'm missing a background
image, I have only the default blue background in grub.
I studied /etc/grub.d/05_debian_themes, but there are lots of variables
I don't know.
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Am 2017-04-09 15:10, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
I don't know how gvfs does it, but it can be done with a user file
system.
It happens all the time when I use sshfs. An ssh file system allows
only the user
who mounted it to access it. Since sshfs, once it gains control, can
do as it
pleases, if ca
Am 2017-04-10 00:39, schrieb Daniel Abrecht:
I think automatically mounting thumb drives is very different from
mounting them when I klick on them in my file manager. Things like
automatically mounting removable medias or even auto starting
applications, I don't want that.
I also don't like aut
Am 2017-04-13 04:32, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
Devuan is about choice. Therefore, it should make available (1) the
choice to do without systemd and (2) the choice to use systemd.
This is impossible with a binary distribution. systemd is not only an
init system, it pervades the whole system. You c
Am 2017-04-10 00:39, schrieb fsmithred:
desktop-base is supposed to handle that, but it's not cooperating. You
can
bypass it by adding the following (one) line to /etc/default/grub
GRUB_THEME=/usr/share/desktop-base/grub-themes/desktop-grub-them/theme.txt
Thank you for that hint.
The correct
Am 2017-04-17 11:18, schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644
No further comment needed.
Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)
ROTFL
Stupid question: why does systemd implement a rm command? They sold us
s
Am 2017-04-17 17:11, schrieb goli...@dyne.org:
"maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix experience"
LOL!
My favourite rant was from Linus Torvalds:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/05/torvalds_sievers_dust_up/
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Am 2017-04-21 18:14, schrieb Veteran Unix Admins:
# Downloads
Official Devuan images are distributed via the website
(https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/)
To ease the load on our bandwidth we kindly ask you to use one of the
following mirrors:
Is there no longer a torrent for download
Am 2017-04-26 21:37, schrieb Bruce Perens:
Devuan Jessie installed without an issue on my Panasonic Toughbook
CF-19. The main user experience issue so far is that it doesn't seem to
install any way to handle wifi, and WICD doesn't seem ready for prime
time as a WiFi manager.
wicd works fine
Am 2017-05-04 17:22, schrieb Radagast:
Now that you mention it, I recall I read somewhere that GTK2 is still
receiving secrity updates. So, that might be an option...
I would also vote for gtk2. gtk3 ist strictly bound to Gnome 3 and
changes every few days, breaking current themes.
Jochen
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I found another package that depends on libsystemd0: sane-utils.
Would it be difficult to remove this dependency, or is there a valid
reason for having this?
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Am 2017-05-14 08:23, schrieb KatolaZ:
again, there is nothing to fear in dist-upgrade...
That's right. I'm using Debian/Devuan since many years and never had a
problem with dist-upgrade. I'm wondering about this myth that
dist-upgrade could break something. dist-upgrade has the same effect a
Am 2017-05-15 06:36, schrieb Steve Litt:
Perhaps not in De**an, but in other distros, I've seen things go to
hell in a handbasket when trying to upgrade to the next major version.
I think here is a little bit confusion about what a "dist-upgrade" is
and does.
It *can* be used for upgrade to a
Am 2017-05-17 09:41, schrieb Jaromil:
As we go forward extending Devuan's infrastructure, we kindly ask
everyone interested in supporting this project to consider running a
server for one of the many services we have running.
I have some disk space and bandwidth left on my server (running Devua
Hi all,
can someone recommend an onscreen keyboard (for use in tablet mode) with
low dependencies and no systemd?
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Am 2017-06-07 16:12, schrieb Emiliano Marini:
Hi all,
I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?
You can rent a VPS with Debian and migrate to Devuan following this
guide:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan
I did this with
Am 2017-06-07 17:09, schrieb Emiliano Marini:
Not viable on most VPS providers, specially if they use OpenVZ or
custom kernels/filesystems on the VMs. That's only possible under a
full virtualisation platform.
Look for a hoster that uses KVM. Here in Germany there are lots of them.
nice, but is in some way in conflict with openbox or tint2.
When Florence is running, the panel is dead.
Am 2017-06-07 16:23, schrieb aitor_czr:
> Hi Joachim, El 07/06/17 a las 14:00, Hendrik Boom
> escribió:
>
> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 02:41:04PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
>
Am 2017-06-16 02:10, schrieb taii...@gmx.com:
"rpc.statd A daemon that listens for reboot notifications from other
hosts, and manages the list of hosts to be notified when the local
system reboots"
I see no reason as to why this should be turned on or even installed
by default
rpc.statd is pa
Am 2017-06-18 12:08, schrieb info at smallinnovations dot nl:
Expanding to that we can even make a libsystemd0 that actually works
with any init system (except systemd) for all relevant init parts and
to all other calls answering that systemd is not present.
I think most of you are wrong about
Am 2017-06-19 00:41, schrieb Haines Brown:
When I boot, just before the log in prompt is the message:
"-bash: gsettings: command not found"
Most system scripts are located in /etc. Try searching for it there
with:
find /etc -type f | xargs fgrep gsettings
Hi Didier,
Am 2017-06-19 12:10, schrieb Didier Kryn:
I'm allways surprised when people seem to find Gnome is
compelling. I never found it compelling. A dozen years ago I moved to
KDE, because Gnome was so ugly. Later I turned back to Gnome when KDE
went crazy; then Gnome-3 went mental also
Am 2017-06-20 18:58, schrieb KatolaZ:
What could be relevant is that, as several people have already pointed
out, GNOME 3 is still available for platforms in which systemd is not
present (e.g., FreeBSD: https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/). The main
problem in having "that" GNOME 3 in Devuan is the av
Am 2017-06-20 20:38, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
We have enough work being an "ugly" "third party workaround" for
Debian.
:-D
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Am 2017-06-21 14:44, schrieb KatolaZ:
Steve Jobs understood that users must be won with eyecandies, and on
that side we will never be able to beat Apple.
That's very right, but you missed 2 points: Apple makes this eyecandy
not only in software, but also in hardware. And they made their produc
Am 2017-06-22 18:34, schrieb Steve Litt:
I very well could be insane, but I've always thought that Windowmaker
is extremely beautiful. I don't understand Windowmaker, and I can't get
it to do what I need, but when it comes to eye candy, I find
Windowmaker
the best. Windowmaker is also lightweig
Am 2017-06-27 16:02, schrieb Steve Litt:
I know if I were a real programmer...
real programmers can write Fortran programs in ANY language ;-)
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Am 2017-06-30 07:53, schrieb Alessandro Selli:
Maybe it's me, but what the hell is a DNS resolver doing inside an
init
system?
systemd is _NOT_ an init system. That's a mythos. Systemd started as an
init system, but evolved step-by-step to a monolithic low level Linux
userland. It's drive
Am 2017-06-30 19:16, schrieb Steve Litt:
Would it be possible for you to install OpenRC from upstream source? I
know that's easily doable with runit or s6, but I know little about
OpenRC.
I'm wondering why there are lots of discussions about init systems. What
is wrong with sysv init? My note
Am 2017-07-03 16:08, schrieb dev:
Sounds like a "won't fix", too:
"So, yeah, I don't think there's anything to fix in systemd here."
- Poettering
Not sure what's more troubling here[1]; the lack of concern, the
digression from POSIX, or the bug/backdoor itself. Maybe all three.
useradd 0d
Am 2017-07-03 17:34, schrieb dev:
useradd and adduser work differently. One allows it, the other does
not.
Just thought 'why not make them work the same?'. That's all.
That's right, that's a bug. They should work the same, and they should
follow POSIX-rules, not Poettering-rules.
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Hello,
I get lots of those errors in my postfix log:
Jul 3 18:09:16 server postfix/smtpd[2840]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
tupac2.dyne.org[178.62.188.7]: 450 4.7.1 : Helo command
rejected: Host not found; from=
to= proto=ESMTP helo=
Is there some configuration problem with the list mail ser
Am 2017-07-03 22:27, schrieb Gregory Nowak:
I'm not seeing this here, and the A record for tupac2.dyne.org
resolves correctly. Could there be a DNS issue on your end perhaps?
Normally name resolution works fine, and tupac2.dyne.org is the only
server with such errors in my postfix log.
I'm u
Am 2017-07-04 09:39, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:
Could it be that dyne.org name servers have temporary connection
problems?
When checking dns for tupac2.dyne.org I get 1 error and 3 warnings:
https://mxtoolbox.com/domain/tupac2.dns.org/
E https dns.org The Certificate has a
Am 2017-07-04 09:51, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:
Am 2017-07-04 09:39, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:
Could it be that dyne.org name servers have temporary connection
problems?
When checking dns for tupac2.dyne.org I get 1 error and 3 warnings:
https://mxtoolbox.com/domain/tupac2.dns.org/
E https
Am 2017-07-04 12:46, schrieb Alessandro Selli:
I still think it's a bug that systemd runs a process as root when
adduser is
configured to prevent creation of a user with a given name but such a
user
does exist.
Next step probably will be to supersede unix user management and
integrate it int
Am 2017-07-04 15:37, schrieb Alessandro Selli:
I really wonder what did mxtoolbox.com check, as I cannot see what
dns.org
and shockmedia.com have to do with dyne.org:
That's strange. Something in my test changed dyne.org magically to
dns.org. But that was not me, I used cut&paste ;-)
T
Am 2017-07-04 18:27, schrieb Alessandro Selli:
I'm afraid this has to do with the DNS server you're using (;;
SERVER:
127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1), that is), as I get these values:
[alessandro@draco ~]$ dig tupac2.dyne.org
; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-9+deb8u11-Debian <<>> tupac2.dyne.org
;; global options:
Am 2017-07-04 18:27, schrieb Alessandro Selli:
I'm afraid this has to do with the DNS server you're using (;;
SERVER:
127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1), that is), as I get these values:
Enter "dyne.org" here: http://www.dnsqueries.com/en/dns_lookup.php and
select "ALL". That delivers the same resul
Am 2017-07-05 00:18, schrieb Rick Moen:
On a quick, broad check, dyne.org DNS seems robust.
There are three network-diverse authoritative nameservers (refreshing
to
see after observing far too many domains attempting to get by with two,
when RFCs require 3-7 auth nameservers[1]), all returning
Am 2017-07-05 08:51, schrieb Rick Moen:
I believe you said that you are running an instance of Unbound as a
local recursive nameserver. If so, I hope you are listing it first in
/etc/resolv.conf (perhaps by localhost IP). Anyway, that's where you
should start looking, to find your problem.
Th
Am 2017-07-05 09:08, schrieb Rick Moen:
So, in general terms, I certainly encourage your approach. It's not
obvious from present evidence why you are getting timeouts querying
your
local recursive nameserver. You'll have to do further diagnosis
locally. (Lacking any better ideas at the momen
Am 2017-07-05 09:24, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:
I now increased unbounds verbosity and see if there is further
information in the log.
Some more info. unbounds verbosity level is now 2. I did a "dig
tupac2.dyne.org", which had a timeout.
This is in the log:
Jul 5 09:37:29 serv
Am 2017-07-05 09:43, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:
Jul 5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: NSEC3s for the
referral proved no DS.
Could it be that my problem has to do with DNSSEC?
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Am 2017-07-05 10:47, schrieb Rick Moen:
edns-buffer-size:
Number of bytes size to advertise as the EDNS reassembly
buffer
size. This is the value put into datagrams over UDP
towards
peers. The actual buffer size is determined by
msg-buffer-s
Am 2017-07-05 10:47, schrieb Rick Moen:
edns-buffer-size:
...
tation reassembly problems, usually seen as timeouts,
then a
value of 1480 can fix it.
I did some more tests (ping ns.dyne.org with different packet sizes) and
found that 1480 is
Am 2017-07-05 11:51, schrieb Rick Moen:
Glad to hear it!
I've been too early pleased - problem still exists. I now forward
dyne.org to Google DNS.
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Am 2017-07-09 17:10, schrieb Edward Bartolo:
I have been running Devuan since August of two years ago, and I do not
regret it. Being forced to do Linux the way seen from above, would
have definitely killed my motivation to use a different OS completely.
Devuan is giving me freedom; Devuan is not
Am 2017-07-11 20:35, schrieb Dragan FOSS:
Do you want to say that devuan users do not need any upstream that
recommends systemd?
For example, Postgresql?
***
With PostgreSQL 9.6 or newer, it is recommended to build with
--with-systemd and use the unit file shown in the documentation...
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https:
My understanding is, that Linux is the kernel, and GNU is the userland.
Is systemd part of GNU/Linux? If not, how do we call a systemd Linux?
Jochen
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Am 2017-07-12 00:00, schrieb Dragan FOSS:
Btw...Linux Is Not UniX ;)
Then replace "unix" in my post with "un*x" ;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like
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Another nice bug in Gnome:
http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/gnome-thumbnailer-msi-fail.html
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Am 2017-07-18 09:39, schrieb Rick Moen:
OTOH, clearly the parser code in /usr/bin/gnome-exe-thumbnailer is
rubbish, as it shouldn't be possible to fool it into processing
embedded
VBSCript in a filename.
That's the point. All these things made by Poettering, Gnome Team, Read
Hat ... are rubb
Hi,
since Gnome network manager depends on systemd, I have to use wicd on my
notebook. And since my internet provider does not allow to change dns
setting on their router, I only can change it on my notebook.
But wicd does not accept ipv6 addresses in the dns fields. Is there some
other way to
Am 2017-07-19 20:48, schrieb KatolaZ:
Which Devuan release are you using?
Jessie
A de-systemd-ised network-manager
is in jessie for sure.
Is this new?
tried it, seems to work, but there are some network problems. Switched
back to wicd.
If you don't want anybody to change the DNS settin
Am 2017-07-19 22:21, schrieb Antony Stone:
Also, "some network problems" is not a very helpful bug report :)
If you're going to say that something doesn't work properly, please at
least
say *how* it doesn't work properly...
I'm sorry, but I did not have the time to investigate this further.
Since a few days I'm getting very old mails from this list. Below is an
example Header of such a mail. Someone should have a look at the mail
queue at tupac2.dyne.org.
Received by tupac2.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42FD118AB89
for ; Tue, 25 APR 2017 14:08:05 + (UTC)
Received: from [127.
On new devuan Jessie installs there is a nice looking lightdm greeter
(Devuan theme). How can I install this greeter on old installations?
Jochen
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Am 2017-07-22 09:09, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:
On new devuan Jessie installs there is a nice looking lightdm greeter
(Devuan theme). How can I install this greeter on old installations?
I found it myown. It is not lightdm, it is slim with theme
devuan-curve-purpy.
Jochen
Am 2017-07-24 20:34, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
How much source code actually cares whether pointers are 32 or 64 bits?
Clean written code should not care about pointers or integers are 32 or
64 bit or byte order. Code written in a higher language should run on
any hardware, otherwise I call it "
Am 2017-07-26 19:40, schrieb Haines Brown:
I need access an online database, but when I try to do it I get the
error message that I don't have the latest version of Macromedia Flash
Player. The site needs Macromedia Flash Player 11.1 or higher.
Adobe ceased the flash player supoort for Linux lo
Am 2017-07-26 20:01, schrieb Haines Brown:
So then how do I access the database? The files I need to access are
newspaper images.
You can try Google Chrome (not Chromium). AFAIK that's the only browser
for Linux that still supports Flash.
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Am 2017-08-05 11:28, schrieb Weaver:
Currently running Debian SID, with separate /, swap, and /home
partitions.
I don't suppose switching is as easy as simply replacing the /
partition
with a new install, preserving the old data?
Yes it is easy. Choose the same partition layout in the instal
Linux uses all available more for caching of filesystems. When copying
large files to slow network filesystems (nfs, smb, sshfs, davfs) it
takes a long time until such allocated memory becomes free. When these
network filesystems saturate memory linux becomes very unresponsive. It
can take minu
Am 2017-08-11 17:43, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:
Linux uses all available more
Should be "memory", not "more"
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Am 2017-08-11 18:21, schrieb Patrick Meade:
http://www.linuxatemyram.com/index.html
What they write is only true for fast disks.
"If applications want more memory, they just take it back from the disk
cache."
I you write to a slow filesystem, it takes it's time until applications
"get it b
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