Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-15 Thread emninger
Am Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:31:54 + schrieb Jaromil : > not at all. We even plan to roll out our own openrc package, ditching > the one from Debian which has many problems. Perhaps what you are > hitting is one of them. > > > For Devuan's Openrc we will follow the design proposed by upstream and

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-11 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:09:56 +0200 schrieb Svante Signell : > Maybe you have to install sys-rc before installing openrc? I looked and i have already installed sysv-rc. In any case, i did a re-install but it did not help. Does that mean openrc as an option for devuan is gone?

Re: [DNG] Openrc

2016-09-11 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:09:56 +0200 schrieb Svante Signell : > On Sun, 2016-09-11 at 17:44 +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > > I was away from the keyboard a very long time (had to work > > outside/outdoor for a life), so very likely i missed a lot. Sorry in > > anticipation if i'm doubling somet

[DNG] Openrc

2016-09-11 Thread emninger
I was away from the keyboard a very long time (had to work outside/outdoor for a life), so very likely i missed a lot. Sorry in anticipation if i'm doubling something: One system is/was running devuan ascii quite nicely but when i came back i did an 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' and i r

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-29 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:00:01 + schrieb Rick Moen : Hi Rick! > I see all of them as being > problems, because they're all managed as CADT-style projects > (unstable, forever being EOLed and rewritten from scratch, etc.), > create problems for other codebases, and collectively form a hideous >

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

2016-07-24 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:00:02 + schrieb aitor_czr : > However, the circle control buttons can be customized :) They are > located in gtk-3.0/assets: > > titlebutton.png > titlebut...@2.png > titlebutton-close-prelight.png > titlebutton-close-preli...@2.png > etc... Yes, sure. But where are t

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

2016-07-24 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb Go Linux : > Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And > the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It > blends with the white BG on pages so I have a hard time finding where > the apps are on the page. I als

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

2016-07-24 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 24 Jul 2016 05:14:43 + schrieb Go Linux : Hi golinux! > There may be a way to fix those things in the theme but that would > take drilling down deep into the code. If/when I finally get around > to that I'll start from the original themes to make sure the errors > weren't introduced

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

2016-07-23 Thread emninger
@Jaromil, parazyd From a previous question i posted about openrc, i got an answer by jaromil, that there is underway an openrc package for ascii (which would respect the gentoo style of implementation). Now, my question: Is there a, may be even experimental package, already? I'd be happy to use (

Re: [DNG] Earth-friendly micro-desktop Devuan demo

2016-07-23 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb Jaromil : > yes is another occasion for rejoicing for all of us :^) and I find > this a very interesting point since most systemd arguments talk about > "booting times" but here is really about "login times". Well, but that boot-up speed reasoning nowada

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

2016-07-23 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb : > I'm comparing OSX-Breeze, GTX and Vertex. > > IMO, Vertex is best. > >Aitor. > +1 If you're interested. i adapted vertex dark, as far as i could, to the devuan style guidelines. If you'd like, i could pass it to you. _

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

2016-07-20 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:40:11 + schrieb Steve Litt : Hi Steve! > I just found out about Wirth's Law: > > [ . . . ] > > * Look at all the money in my bank account. I'd better start spending. > [ . . . ] I remember this theory/law already mentioned in the eighties in a genius Apple II GS discus

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-19 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:06:11 + schrieb Jaromil : > but then one really needs to be pro-active about it here. So: if > anyone wants a DM that is not packaged, even before asking for it > should do an effort at its packaging. lxdm is there already (in ascii but not jessie). I tried to do a conf

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-19 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:57:35 + schrieb Joel Roth : > emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > > And as i said before, lxdm is nearly equally leightweight as slim > > and as far as i see not really systemd infected - yet (?). > > Why do you like using a display manager rather than login > and startx?

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-19 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:38:16 + schrieb Robert Storey : > About SLIM as a display manager - I'm fine with it, even if it's not > really maintained. The important thing is that it's fast, stable, not > riddled with security holes (including systemd). I'm open though to > changing to something be

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

2016-07-19 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:22:41 + schrieb Steve Litt : > The older I get, the more I think the easiest route is to use > wpa_passphrase, then, as root, append its output > into /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf. Crude but effective. > Travelling wifi on laptops is a mess, always has been.

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

2016-07-19 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:22:41 + schrieb Rob Owens : > You got me interested and I just installed OpenRC on Devuan Jessie. > I got the following message: > > ** > *** WARNING: if you are replacing sysv-rc by OpenRC, then you mu

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

2016-07-19 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:43:59 + schrieb Steve Litt : Hi Steve! > The "wrapper around sysvinit" thing is a feature of OpenRC, not > Devuan/Debian's implementation thereof. A little more explanation... > > [ . . . ] Thanks for your patience! It's in some way a bit above my knowledge, but the e

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

2016-07-18 Thread emninger
Am Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:30:07 + schrieb Jaromil : Hi Jaromil! > this is precisely what Parazyd has recommended to do, while looking > into the plan to make a openrc package on ascii. we also have contact > with genoo maintainers and good understanding of their approach. > > from what I've see

[DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

2016-07-18 Thread emninger
Hi! On the road to a viable jwm desktop in devuan, i am using/trying open-rc. In advance, my excuses if what follows is not sufficiently technical. To the point: From Manjaro-OpenRC i knew openrc as a clean and logical system to manage daemons & processes. By far, from a user point of view, super

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt)

2016-07-16 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:30:36 + schrieb Steve Litt : > I'd prefer a display manager that isn't associated with a window > manager or desktop environment. I understand that and i would agree, but in my experience with devuan here, lxdm was the loginmanager which worked better (lightdm is an eup

Re: [DNG] Slow network startup [was: Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list]

2016-07-16 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2016 08:40:14 + schrieb Go Linux : > My Devuan wired network takes maybe 10-15 seconds to come up after I > come out of suspend. What's up with that. It was always ready on > Squeeze and Wheezy. Now I twiddle my thumbs and wait until wicd > wakes up. It's really annoying . .

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt)

2016-07-15 Thread emninger
Am Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:43:40 + schrieb Robert Storey : > Thanks for posting this, it's an issue I wanted to raise but glad > someone else brought it up first. I'd like to propose the use of lxdm (as a graphical login manager). It's only insignificantly heavvier than slim but it offers all the

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-11 Thread emninger
uff --- did I ever mention I write > > books for a living?). > > ..so which do you prefer, Slackware wee mess, > or being at the mercy of Poettering & Co? > > > On the other hand, a lot of people I respect (including emninger) > > love Slackware specifically b

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 22, Issue 30

2016-07-11 Thread emninger
Am Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:07:56 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > [ . . . ] > did I ever mention I write books for a living? > [ . . . ] Me too ;) But, sincerely, mostly, i translate(d) ... (aside of guiding) Now, as a pensionist, i do a bit what i want :) Sincerely, as for slackware, i u

[DNG] problem with devuan merged repositories

2016-07-11 Thread emninger
When i do `apt-get update` i get the following error msgs: Err:12 http://de.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease Temporary failure resolving 'de.mirror.devuan.org' Err:13 http://de.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease Temporary failure resolving 'de.mirror.devuan.or

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-11 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:47:57 + schrieb Joel Roth : > What's your experience with slackware and its > dependency/packaging system? Generally, i like it. It has way less dependencies compared to debian. And in the end it's quite well manageable. Only, it's really so slow as for developping ...

Re: [DNG] lilo

2016-07-09 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 09 Jul 2016 21:14:42 + schrieb Joel Roth : > To me it's an important part of linux infrastructure. > (Has anyone investigated if syslinux/extlinux can offer the same > functionality?) Me too, i prefer lilo (so used to from years with slackware ;) ) - and i don't find it inferior to g

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-09 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:54:31 + schrieb Steve Litt : > No seriously, a lot of developers aren't jumping on the bandwagon. > Witness Samba retaining their --without-systemd compile flag. Observe > Funtoo and Void both saying "systemd never!" Alpine forgot to switch > to systemd, as did quite a f

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-07 Thread emninger
Am Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:00:02 + schrieb Steve Litt : Hi Steve! > The whole systemd thing is one big propaganda war. It's not about > tech. Saying systemd is about tech is like saying a Molotov Cocktail > is about building construction. > > Anyway, this video is one of the best weapons our si

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-05 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:21:29 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > On 20.02.2016 01:02, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Did you watch the following video? > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE&list=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR > > > > yeah, that incident of Len

Re: [DNG] Azadi, or: the art of civil-isation

2016-07-05 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:21:29 + schrieb Didier Kryn : > I hope the reasons for Sdexit (Systemd Exit) are more educated > than the ones for the Brexit. Not defending the Leave or the Remain > here. One may approve one vote or the other while not the reasons > invoked by the voters. +1 Tha

[DNG] 2 pcmanfm questions

2016-07-05 Thread emninger
1) What will be the difference between `dbus-launch pcmanfm -d` and `pcmanfm -d` ? (I remember, there was an issue with thunar not mounting automatically usb devices, which could be solved using the dbus-launch command). 2) Is anyone aware of a way how to make pcmanfm use udevil? (I tried spa

Re: [DNG] inittab question

2016-07-04 Thread emninger
Am Mon, 04 Jul 2016 12:00:01 + schrieb KatolaZ : > uh? Why would have you expected that? First of all, you normally don't > want getty in runlevel 1, which is used for single-user mode. Because i knew that to be such from slackware (which also has single mode user runlevel = 1 ) ... ;) > Sec

[DNG] inittab question

2016-07-03 Thread emninger
Hi! Dealing with a login (manager) problem, i looked into my /etc/inittab and i found this: --- # Note that on most Debian systems tty7 is used by the X Window System, # so if you want to add more getty's go ahead but skip tty7 if you run X. # 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 2:23:respawn:/s

Re: [DNG] polkit - which one?

2016-07-03 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 03 Jul 2016 12:00:01 + schrieb Didier Kryn : > [ . . . ] > Since Enrico suggested to patch (eg) Thunar it makes little > sense to modify it to invoke a wrapper rather than udevil right away. > This was the message of my previous mail. Thanks for clarifying Didier! :)

Re: [DNG] polkit - which one?

2016-07-02 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 02 Jul 2016 07:42:37 + schrieb Didier Kryn : Salut! > OK checked my wraper works with udevil. But if it comes to S> patch > Thunar, Xfce4 and others, why not invoke directly udevil or sudo? The > wrapper was only meant to replace pkexec. udevil seems pretty handy. So, do i get

Re: [DNG] Building w/ gtk2 vs gtk3

2016-07-01 Thread emninger
Am Fri, 01 Jul 2016 06:05:32 + schrieb "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" : > Hi folks, > > I'm currently packaging recent geeqie for Ubuntu Trustry > (which I'm still running on my notebook), and that leads me > to an interesting question: > > How to properly package applications that can b

Re: [DNG] policykit - another time ...

2016-06-30 Thread emninger
Am Fri, 01 Jul 2016 00:45:23 + schrieb Daniel Reurich : > policykit is something we'd like to get rid of, but it is deeply > embedded in places so it's likely that rather then get rid of it we'd > need to provide an alternative implementation. > > That said, I haven't looked closely at those

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What about pulseaudio, avahi, ... ?

2016-06-30 Thread emninger
Am Thu, 30 Jun 2016 19:09:37 + schrieb "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" : > By the way: does ALSA support per-application volume handling ? As far as i experienced yes, but the per-app volume always depends on the systemwide volume (alsamixer) settings ... __

[DNG] policykit - another time ...

2016-06-30 Thread emninger
When i try to purge policykit-1 (which apparently is a devuan patched version (?): 0.105-9+devuan1 ) i'm prompted the following packages would be removed: aptdaemon* colord* hplip* packagekit* packagekit-tools* policykit-1* printer-driver-postscript-hp* 0 updated, 0 installed , 7 to remove, 0

Re: [DNG] Find files... disabled in PCmanFM

2016-06-29 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:14:41 + schrieb aitor_czr : > Hi all, > > For people using PCmanFM: in the menu of this file-manager there is a > file search (Tools -> Find files...), what i find lacking in Thunar. > > Well..., sometimes this tool is greyed out (for example, in gnuinos > openbox).

[DNG] some fun

2016-06-29 Thread emninger
Since we're so serious may be some fun is nice, making life easier ... :) I stumbled upon this by chance and i liked it a lot (I post the link although i think probably many of you know it already): http://systemd-free.org/img/systemd-can.jpg Cheers. __

Re: [DNG] polkit - which one?

2016-06-29 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:03:34 + schrieb Didier Kryn : > I'll eventually try to understand what the sudox script is doing > and reproduce it in my C program - I'm a very bad scripter. At least, you are a scripter ... ;) Looking forward hopefully :) Cheers!

Re: [DNG] polkit - which one?

2016-06-28 Thread emninger
Am Mon, 27 Jun 2016 12:00:02 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > Thanks for pointing me to udevil (I've already read about it on > this list, but never looked at it before). Looks pretty simple. I'm > considering writing a script which would invoke udevil for > mount/umount and do t

[DNG] Work with lists.dyne.org

2016-06-25 Thread emninger
Hi all! I've a question about how to work with the list: Is there a way to search an archive of lists and/or single messages for certain topics. Background: Some time ago i asked about overheating and i got some very helpful replies - but unfortunately i lost the file where i saved them :-( Than

Re: [DNG] polkit - which one?

2016-06-25 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:00:02 + schrieb Didier Kryn : Salut Didier! > Unfortunately, without policykit, the users are not allowed > to mount removable media like usb memory sticks. Few years ago the > permissions were handled in udev rules, but nowadays udev rules have > shrinked to one

Re: [DNG] tool to check for updates without root??

2016-06-22 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 22 Jun 2016 08:35:48 + schrieb KatolaZ : Hi KatolaZ! > The easiest way is to have a cron script that runs once a day, with > root provileges, and calls "apt-get update". Then, your notifier could > be as simple as: > > apt-get -s upgrade | grep "^[0-9]* upgr" | cut -d " " -f 1 > >

[DNG] tool to check for updates without root??

2016-06-21 Thread emninger
May someone of you knows if their exists in the .deb world a tool which checks for available updates and which does not need root. What i am looking for, is just a simple "update available" notifier (with other package managers that's possible, but i do not see a way to do that with apt or aptitud

[DNG] package request

2016-06-21 Thread emninger
Hi! Is there any possibility to package for devuan xdgmenumaker (1) (2)? It's a rocksolid and very nice menumaker which makes for *ANY* *boxes based desktop a xdgcompliant menu (which especially in debian with its awful menu system is badly needed). 1) https://github.com/gapan/xdgmenumaker

Re: [DNG] polkit - which one?

2016-06-19 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 18 Jun 2016 08:49:39 + schrieb Didier Kryn : Salut Didier! > I have created two launcher files invoking /sbin/halt and > /sbin/reboot, with sensible icons, and then dragged them into the > pannels of all 4 users of the desktop. And I have added the following > line to the sudo

Re: [DNG] About OpenRC with Devuan (jaromil/parazyd)

2016-06-18 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:32:49 + schrieb "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" : Hi Ismael! > I have not looked openerp version in debian, but should be well > behind using Manjaro, that could also influence since Manjaro version > should be much more current. i don't think so; i ran a very old manjaro ope

Re: [DNG] package request (ceni network management utility)

2016-06-18 Thread emninger
As for package requests i have a question: Is it acceptable to make proposals or would feel innecesserily stressed? (I'd like to have several small tools, which are available on git but not in the repositories, having in mind to put together the stuff for a jwm desktop as an option in tasksel. On

Re: [DNG] package request (ceni network management utility)

2016-06-18 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 19 Jun 2016 09:17:26 +1000 schrieb Ozi Traveller : Hi Ozi! > Hi emninger > > I have ceni_2015.07.06+nmu1_all.deb installed in devuan stable. > > Ozi That's great, thankyou very much. May be you can put it also to ascii? As for this, just a question: On one ma

Re: [DNG] polkit - which one?

2016-06-18 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 18 Jun 2016 08:49:39 + schrieb Didier Kryn : Salut Didier! > I'm using xfce4 DE on Devuan Jessie and have removed all > policy-kit* packages and package-kit. The halt and reboot buttons of > the logout menu of Xfce do not work anymore. They certainly invoke > some command to ask

[DNG] package request (ceni network management utility)

2016-06-18 Thread emninger
I would like to have ceni in the devuan packages. Ceni can be found here (the amd_64 version): http://packages.siduction.org/?Repositories:extra_amd64 In the practical use, i think it's a robust and very easy to use ncurses based tool. It's advantage is, once it is set up (practically it uses wpas

[DNG] About OpenRC with Devuan (jaromil/parazyd)

2016-06-18 Thread emninger
I installed OpenRC in one Devuan machine - and it works just nicely. But nevertheless i note some particularities. - Just as an appearance: While in Manjaro/Arch Linux, running openrc and not systemd, there is a nice clear order, when it comes to start the processes/daemons/services managed

Re: [DNG] still zram

2016-06-18 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:53:23 + schrieb : > The result is the same with the 3.16 kernel (which is my old kernel) > and with the 4.6 kernel. How that? Und what can i do to enable that > module? Answering to myself: Seems that the kernel modules are disabled. I installed a liquorix kernel (which

[DNG] still zram

2016-06-17 Thread emninger
Sometime ago i asked here about zram - and got good advice. On one laptop i have it running and all is fine. But on this unfortunate Sony i have problems: When i tried to install zram as on the other machine i discovered that zram module is not enabled at all: zgrep ZRAM /proc/config.gz gzip

[DNG] a debian vs devuan problem

2016-06-17 Thread emninger
By chance i discovered a kind of a compatibility problem: Since i'm still struggling with my setup (kernel modules are missing, machine tends to get very hot etc. pp.) i wanted to checkup which graphic driver would be the best and i installed and tried to run nvidia-detect - which gave me the foll

[DNG] polkit - which one?

2016-06-17 Thread emninger
Thanks to my installation hassle i had an a bit close look to some installed modules. So i saw, that with the basic install + X (i did not install any specific desktop, but only with the --no-install-recommends option: xorg, jwm, menu, lxdm) is already pulled in the gnome-polkit. I do not know, if

[DNG] avahi & dbus ? Was: Re: cosmetic installer issues

2016-06-16 Thread emninger
Am Thu, 16 Jun 2016 06:28:16 + schrieb Adam Borowski : > avahi -> die die die In the slackware world i learned, that avahi was not needed and could be removed (respectively not installed at all) without any problem. And indeed it was so for me, i did not notice any loss in confort ... (in som

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-16 Thread emninger
Am Thu, 16 Jun 2016 06:28:16 + schrieb Robert Storey : > I'm not a good programmer and thus not capable of writing a better > installer, but I would like to suggest the possibility of taking the > Ubuntu approach which allows the option to complete an installation > with no network connection,

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-16 Thread emninger
Am Thu, 16 Jun 2016 06:28:16 + schrieb KatolaZ : Hi KatolaZ! > This is most probably the source of your problems. Have you tried to > install jessie and then upgrade to ascii? > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ Yes, i did - to no extent. Now, in a lot of frustration, i tried the simple (*NOT EXPER

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 15 Jun 2016 21:21:08 + schrieb dev : > I did a text mode install with Devuan amd64 DVD.iso over the weekend. > In a virt-manager instance no less. Everything worked fine. Maybe > give text mode install a try and see if results are better. No, here it's in all expert "modes" the same.

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:21:11 + schrieb Robert Storey : > Yes, I think that this IS important to fix. Even though I was able to > work around the problem, there are many others out there who will > give up at the first sign of trouble and head straight back to the > comfort of Poettering Linux.

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread emninger
Since we discussed in irc also about the installer problems (i have, but others, at least partly share) i thought it might be a good idea to describe exactly what i did and tried: I use the installer cd I used both, graphical and text mode installer, so far no difference. I chose several langua

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 15 Jun 2016 01:26:45 + schrieb : > i Florian! I tried it that way but it did not work. I was prompted by > the msg that libjson-c2 does not exist. May be it's provided by > another package but i did not succeed in finding it out :-( > > In the meantime, i tried another way: The instru

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 15 Jun 2016 01:26:45 + schrieb Robert Storey : Hi Robert! > Note that my following comments apply only to a graphical install, > full-desktop version, which is actually the only kind I've attempted > so I can't say what would happen with a minimal install in > text-mode... > > I've g

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread emninger
The following reply escaped me without editing the subject and the author line. Please simply delete it or at least do not regard it. Sorry for the mistake! :-( Am Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:16:48 + schrieb Simon Walter : Hi Simon! > Since it is a universal OS. I would suggest we disable the graphi

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 21, Issue 70

2016-06-15 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:16:48 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: Hi Simon! > Since it is a universal OS. I would suggest we disable the graphical > installer if it causing people to be put off. This may sound like > heresy, but the text base installer is not minimal and it is fully > fun

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 15 Jun 2016 01:26:45 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: Hi Robert! > Note that my following comments apply only to a graphical install, > full-desktop version, which is actually the only kind I've attempted > so I can't say what would happen with a minimal install in > text-mode...

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-14 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:22:41 + schrieb Florian Zieboll : > From tty 2 or 3, you can wget that missing library, then move the deb > to /target and chroot there to install it manually. > > libre Grüße, > > Florian Hi Florian! I tried it that way but it did not work. I was prompted by the msg

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-14 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:08:50 + schrieb Paweł Cholewiński : > Hi, > could You reproduce this error with another install? If yes, are there > any other errors before package dependency problem with libjson-c2 on > console4? > > Regards, > Paweł I can reproduce this error with any install from

[DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-14 Thread emninger
Hi all. I have an urgent problem with the Devuan Jessie 1.0 installer: When it comes to install the basic system at a certain point the installation stops with an error. On console 4 i see the following error msg: . dpkg: error processing package rsyslog (--configure): dependency problems -

[DNG] missing linefeed in libffi6:amd64

2016-06-13 Thread emninger
Trying to install the gtk2 engines i' am getting the following error msg: - There is missing a final linefeed in the filelisting file of the package E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpgk returned an error code (2) - ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.or

[DNG] task-lxde-desktop 3.33+devuan0.3

2016-06-13 Thread emninger
Sorry if i am coming back to task-lxde-desktop: Finally - and i really do not understand how, but anyway - i succeeded installin devuan ascii on qemu. I did not install any desktop, but started from the base installation and installed manually xorg, jwm, menu and lxdm. Now, looking for lxsession-

[DNG] problem with devuan on qemu

2016-06-12 Thread emninger
I try to install devuan ascii on qemu, following the respective instructions on the git (https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-qemu). Boot is fine, i choose expert installation but when it comes to tasksel the installation of software always fails. I can pass by this step

[DNG] installer iso with wpa_supplicant

2016-06-12 Thread emninger
I just realized that in the devuan jessie installer in the basic install (i.e. before you select software and DE) there is no wpa_supplicant - so you (at least me) cannot configure a wireless connection from commandline. (Jaromil in chat confirmed my observation) Are there any plans to correct th

Re: [DNG] package request

2016-06-11 Thread emninger
Am Fri, 10 Jun 2016 17:48:02 + schrieb Go Linux : > I use palemoon sometimes. I actually run it (and tor) from my /user > directory. The problem with ANY browser other than FF/Iceweasel is > the lack of addons - I use about 25. (Chrome is the worst at this.) > Palemoon has some of them avai

Re: [DNG] package request

2016-06-11 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 11 Jun 2016 04:33:34 + schrieb Irrwahn : > The deb-packaged version by Steven Pusser I already mentioned > in another subthread did not show such issues at the time I > installed it: > > https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home%3Astevenpusser&package=palemoon > > N

Re: [DNG] package request

2016-06-10 Thread emninger
Am Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:36:05 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > > Would it be possible to package palemoon for devuan? > > Are there a reasons for that? > > I use palemoon myself on Devuan. Just downloaded their bundle and > opened in /opt/palemoon, set the bin in PATH and ready for u

[DNG] task-lxde-desktop is needed?

2016-06-10 Thread emninger
When i removed slim i saw the package task-lxde-desktop was removed as well. I checked a bit and i saw: This package is used to install Devuan desktop, featuring the LXDE desktop environment, and with other packages that Devuan users expect to have available on the desktop It depends on

[DNG] package request

2016-06-10 Thread emninger
Would it be possible to package palemoon for devuan? Since a while, i am unhappy with firefox/iceweasel and trying here and there i found that, from a users point of view, palemoon would be a very valid and viable substitute. As far as i am able to check, most, if not all privacy related settings

Re: [DNG] devuan installer and overheating

2016-06-07 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 07 Jun 2016 08:33:08 + schrieb Simon Walter : > I have not noticed this. What are the models of your notebook > computers? > > You could do everyone a favour and debug it a little. Do you know > which process was spinning the CPU? a Samsung NP535U3C (amd processor and graphics) a So

[DNG] devuan installer and overheating

2016-06-06 Thread emninger
Finally i succeeded in installing a devuan ascii into qemu (running on an archlinux openrc system). And here too, i noticed that the debian installer is somehow "extreme" in using ressources. Note this is *NOT* an amd graphics based machine but a sony_vaio with nvidia graphics. (On another laptop,

Re: [DNG] how to make xterm window not close automatically

2016-06-05 Thread emninger
Buon dì, KatolaZ Am Mon, 06 Jun 2016 00:16:43 + schrieb KatolaZ : > You should try ' -e "inxi | less" Thx for the hint! But unfortunately,that does *NOT* work in any terminal program (sakura, lxterminal & cie) within X. Using the command with xterm though, produces a nearly unreadable outp

[DNG] how to make xterm window not close automatically after executing a command?

2016-06-05 Thread emninger
If i do 'xterm -T Htop -e htop' the terminal window rests open, if i do 'xterm -T Sysinfo -e inxi -F' the window closes. In some way it's logical, to me, since htop has not finished its job until i do not do F10. Inxi, otoh, has finished. But how can i make, that also the windows with the -inxi -F

Re: [DNG] use zram for /tmp - how?

2016-06-05 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:00:01 + schrieb Didier Kryn : > I have a laptop with 16GB of ram. I configured it like this with > the primary goal of not using swap at all. And my /tmp is a tmpfs > with a 4G limit. This allows me to use an SSD as hard disk drive. I > didn't want to swap to an SS

[DNG] adblocking using /etc/hosts

2016-06-05 Thread emninger
I don't know, if it is the right place here to ask such trivial questions, if not please tell me, no problem at all. I wanted to suggest, for the future, may be for a better user experience, if it is possible and reasonable to create a small script, which would configure /etc/hosts in a way that a

Re: [DNG] use zram for /tmp - how?

2016-06-04 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 04 Jun 2016 21:14:23 + schrieb Florian Zieboll : > just guessing as I am usually rather low on ram... following the > debian wiki link, for a first try i'd adapt the $SIZE and replace the > mkswap/swapon lines of the script with "mount /dev/zram$i /tmp" and > comment out the stop/swapo

Re: [DNG] use zram for /tmp - how?

2016-06-04 Thread emninger
Am Sat, 04 Jun 2016 21:14:23 + schrieb parazyd : > For /tmp I would definitely use tmpfs. > It's as simple as adding an entry to the fstab > > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=2G 0 0 > > In this example, your /tmp will be 2 gigabytes big, but tmpfs will > keep your /tmp in RAM, while n

[DNG] use zram for /tmp - how?

2016-06-04 Thread emninger
Anyone of you knows a way how to use zram for /tmp ? (I inherited a sony_vaio with 16 gb of ram - which i never ever will/could use, so i thought to use the excessive ram configuring zram). For OpenRc there are scripts to utilize zram either/and for swap and/or for tmp. They are looking like this

Re: [DNG] comunity driven repositories

2016-06-01 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 01 Jun 2016 04:55:50 + schrieb Jaromil : > I would say for your intentio a good start is to put notes together on > how to get your installation running (compiling from source stuff if > necessary), maybe a guide on https://talk.devuan.org where it can > grow with comments What sectio

Re: [DNG] comunity driven repositories [was: Dng Digest, Vol 21, Issue 1]

2016-06-01 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 01 Jun 2016 04:55:50 + schrieb Jaromil : > I understand the issue. this may end up being many packages etc. > > I would say for your intentio a good start is to put notes together on > how to get your installation running (compiling from source stuff if > necessary), maybe a guide on

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 20, Issue 159

2016-05-31 Thread emninger
Am Tue, 31 May 2016 21:45:52 + schrieb Jaromil : [ . . . ] > yes we share the space on git.devuan.org > > from there code can go to jenkins builds and repository > here a sketch > https://devuan.org/os/press/devuan-ci-graph.png > > so be welcome to create a user on the gitlab and push there

[DNG] comunity driven repositories

2016-05-31 Thread emninger
Hello list! Is it possible/wished to have comunity driven repositories for devuan? Background: trying to put together the stuff to make a viable JWM desktop for devuan, i realize there are some key applications/scripts/tools which are *NOT* in the devuan repositories (not even in testing or unstab

[DNG] What's the correct place for backgrounds, wallpapers etc.

2016-05-31 Thread emninger
I see in the Jessie installation the Devuan backgrounds are placed in /etc/alternatives. Is that a good place? One would expect them rather in /usr/share/wallpapers, or not? Cheers. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cg

Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread emninger
Am Sun, 29 May 2016 12:00:02 + schrieb KatolaZ : > You know what baffles me? It is that all this fuss has been made in > the name of making "Linux Desktop" a better experience, while the > major use of Linux is on servers, backend infrastructure, and high > performance computing, where users g

Re: [DNG] Thanks for your help

2016-05-27 Thread emninger
Am Fri, 27 May 2016 12:00:01 + schrieb Didier Kryn : > Dear emninger, when you are finished more more than less, it would > be very valuable if you could give us a summary, like a simple howto, > because digging the thread to trace back everything you tried is a > lot of wor

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