Re: [DNG] [ASCII][PATCH] startx to a new tty

2018-09-19 Thread viverna
Steve Litt il 18-09-18 00:29:59 ha scritto: > Your idea merits more research. The "we must cover every corner case" > crowd can use startx in its Redhat-diminished state, while people like > us use a <20 line shellscript. Perhaps call it viverna. I call it "ax" (acronym for Avvia (italian word

Re: [DNG] [ASCII][PATCH] startx to a new tty

2018-09-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:53:39 +0200 viverna wrote: > Steve Litt il 16-09-18 22:21:11 ha > scritto: > > Then here's a solution that bridges all the options: Release Dario's > > version of startx under some other name, so that Gnome/KDE people > > can still have their "features", and everyone else

Re: [DNG] [ASCII][PATCH] startx to a new tty

2018-09-17 Thread viverna
Steve Litt il 16-09-18 22:21:11 ha scritto: > Then here's a solution that bridges all the options: Release Dario's > version of startx under some other name, so that Gnome/KDE people can > still have their "features", and everyone else can have X that works > and leaves the system in good shape

Re: [DNG] [ASCII][PATCH] startx to a new tty

2018-09-17 Thread Andreas Messer
Hi Dario, On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 09:35:52PM +0200, Dario Niedermann wrote: > Il 16/09/2018 alle 18:43, Andreas Messer ha scritto: ddd> > I see. Anyway I strongly doubt that any DE relies on startx internally: > it's a shell script that's intended to provide a convenient user > interface to

Re: [DNG] [ASCII][PATCH] startx to a new tty

2018-09-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 18:43:12 +0200 Andreas Messer wrote: > Hi Dario, > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 10:59:52AM +0200, Dario Niedermann wrote: > > Il 16/09/2018 alle 10:01, Andreas Messer ha scritto: > > > > [...] > > In short: their addition was a kludge, 100% due to systemd: the only > > thing

Re: [DNG] [ASCII][PATCH] startx to a new tty

2018-09-16 Thread Dario Niedermann
Il 16/09/2018 alle 18:43, Andreas Messer ha scritto: > Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately, many DEs have hopped on > the systemd train and therefore depend on its services. In particular, > the missing logind was the main barrier to have DEs like Gnome or KDE > fully working on Devuan.

Re: [DNG] [ASCII][PATCH] startx to a new tty

2018-09-16 Thread Andreas Messer
Hi Dario, On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 10:59:52AM +0200, Dario Niedermann wrote: > Il 16/09/2018 alle 10:01, Andreas Messer ha scritto: > > [...] > In short: their addition was a kludge, 100% due to systemd: the only > thing that was causing problems for them, with the X session being seen > as

Re: [DNG] [ASCII][PATCH] startx to a new tty

2018-09-16 Thread Dario Niedermann
Il 16/09/2018 alle 10:01, Andreas Messer ha scritto: > Well, this is not really a Devuan Problem. It is more likely related > to session management present in most modern linux distros. [...] > As indicated with one of your links, this "keep-tty" stuff was introduced > to properly handle session

[DNG] [ASCII][PATCH] startx to a new tty

2018-09-12 Thread Dario Niedermann
Hello! After trying Devuan ASCII, I noticed a problem with `startx' that I never had before: the X server occupies the same tty where `startx' was issued. It should allocate the first unused tty instead (default: tty07). Now, if you have no problem with that, you may disregard the rest of this