Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-06 Thread declassed art via Dng
maintain it if I had to. The various NetworkManager alternatives that have sprung up at Devuan. Could you point to or list those alternatives, please? I used Devuan occasionally since Beowulf release but now am going to say goodbye to Debian. Sometimes I need alternatives even for ifupdown.

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 2022-08-06 at 08:36 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/08/2022 à 07:36, Steve Litt a écrit : > > Perfectionists never finish, and the perfect is the enemy of the good. > > This is absolutely true. But ... > > perfection can be approached when we keep things "simple stupid". >

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-06 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 05/08/2022 à 07:36, Steve Litt a écrit : Perfectionists never finish, and the perfect is the enemy of the good.     This is absolutely true. But ...     perfection can be approached when we keep things "simple stupid". For example the init script suggested by Karl: > for i in

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-05 Thread o1bigtenor via Dng
On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 12:37 AM Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 17:36 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 04, 2022 at 04:06:18AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > ... > > > > > > When I write Free Software, I'm one of those "meh, good enough" guys, > > > although > > > I'd > > >

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 17:36 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2022 at 04:06:18AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > ... > > > > When I write Free Software, I'm one of those "meh, good enough" guys, > > although > > I'd > > phrase it "Awww Riiight, good enough!". The reason is that

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread karl
Steve Litt: > On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 16:01 +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > Steve Litt: ... > > There is no requirement of pid files in the above. The notion of pid > > files comes from some req. that you should be able to do > > ./some_script stop.  > > I do sv stop daemonname all the time.

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Aug 04, 2022 at 04:06:18AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: ... > > When I write Free Software, I'm one of those "meh, good enough" guys, > although I'd > phrase it "Awww Riiight, good enough!". The reason is that perfectionists > never > finish. Might this be why we're using linux instead of

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 16:01 +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Steve Litt: > > On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 09:36 +0200, marc wrote: > > > Karl Hammar > > > > Steve Litt: > ... > > > > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? > > > So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon >

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 03/08/2022 à 09:36, marc a écrit : Thanks Karl, Some questions: Hello 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon > /var/log/logfile &" isn't sufficient for this, or is there something I am not aware of ? 2) Does Busybox init give

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread karl
Steve Litt: > On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 09:36 +0200, marc wrote: > > Karl Hammar > > > Steve Litt: ... > > > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? > > So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon > /var/log/logfile &" isn't sufficient > > for this, or is there something I am not aware

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 09:36 +0200, marc wrote: > > Thanks Karl, > > > > Some questions: > > Hello > > > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? > > So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon > /var/log/logfile &" isn't sufficient > for this, or is there something I am not

[DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread Edward Bartolo via Dng
Two empire falls recorded during the last two millenia it are the fall of the mighty Roman Empire and that of the Ottoman Empire. Both were extremely powerful influencing most of the worlds of their times, but they fell. What I expect from systemd and its adoption by many distributions is to

Re: [DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread karl
marc: > Steve Litt: > > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? > > So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon > /var/log/logfile &" isn't sufficient > for this, or is there something I am not aware of ? The requirement for deamons not to background is so that the process

[DNG] Init respawns - was: Be prepared for the fall of systemd

2022-08-03 Thread marc
> Thanks Karl, > > Some questions: Hello > 1) Does Busybox init require the daemon to background itself? So I seem no reason why "nohup daemon > /var/log/logfile &" isn't sufficient for this, or is there something I am not aware of ? > 2) Does Busybox init give you a reasonable way to