Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > My ancient experience with X was working on the team developing UIM/X in > the days before Linux. I spent some time reading a manual caalled > something like IC (maybe ICCCM?) about communications between these > various network components,

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 05:02:32PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2021-01-01 19:07, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > It is that intermediate window manager that was responsible for border > > sized and so forth. It couldn't draw the borders -- it wasn't attached > > to a screen. It just told the se

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2021-01-01 19:07, Hendrik Boom wrote: > It is that intermediate window manager that was responsible for border > sized and so forth. It couldn't draw the borders -- it wasn't attached > to a screen. It just told the server what to draw. Yes, of course. That is what I meant. Nonetheless, th

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 12:22:50PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2021-01-01 15:05, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > This kind of remapping, and others, such as managing window borders, > > is done by the window manager in X. The window manager is a separate > > process, doesn't need to be present, an

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2021-01-01 15:05, Hendrik Boom wrote: > This kind of remapping, and others, such as managing window borders, > is done by the window manager in X. The window manager is a separate > process, doesn't need to be present, and can even run on a separate > machine from the client and/or server. I

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 10:52:52AM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-12-31 12:21, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:53:51AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > > It didn't have to be this way. In 2020, better alternatives could have > > > been made. If I were the project

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 04:38:05PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > It didn't have to be this way. In 2020, better alternatives could > have been made. If I were the project manager, the first thing I'd > do is uncouple keyboard, mouse and video from each other.

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-12-31 12:21, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:53:51AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > It didn't have to be this way. In 2020, better alternatives could have > > been made. If I were the project manager, the first thing I'd do is > > uncouple keyboard, mouse and video fro

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2021-01-01 Thread Simon Hobson
Hendrik Boom wrote: It didn't have to be this way. In 2020, better alternatives could have been made. If I were the project manager, the first thing I'd do is uncouple keyboard, mouse and video from each other. Why X has anything to do with keyboard or mouse is beyond me. >>

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2020-12-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 12:21:47PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:53:51AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > It didn't have to be this way. In 2020, better alternatives could have > > been made. If I were the project manager, the first thing I'd do is > > uncouple keybo

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2020-12-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 12:39:21PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 12:21:47 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:53:51AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > > > > It didn't have to be this way. In 2020, better alternatives could > > > have been made. If I

Re: [DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2020-12-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 12:21:47 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:53:51AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > It didn't have to be this way. In 2020, better alternatives could > > have been made. If I were the project manager, the first thing I'd > > do is uncouple keyboard,

[DNG] Why X does keyboard and mouse.

2020-12-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:53:51AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > It didn't have to be this way. In 2020, better alternatives could have > been made. If I were the project manager, the first thing I'd do is > uncouple keyboard, mouse and video from each other. Why X has anything > to do with keyb