Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working, for modern desktop usage)

2016-07-01 Thread aitor_czr
Hi all, On 02/10/2016 03:00 PM, aitor_czr wrote: El 10/02/16 a las 13:00, shraptor escribió: I think Aitor wrote a while ago about creating a vdev package? Aitor could you give an update on that effort? best regards Scooby Hups! :) I just uploaded the most recent packaging of VDEV: d

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's, working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-29 Thread aitor_czr
On 02/29/16 20:30, shraptor wrote: But when I get to slim-login manager I get no keyboard. This happened to me trying to build a Devuan_Rpi2.img (Raspberry Pi 2) : exim4 works, but the keyboard is not detected and i can't access to the prompt. I tried with a couple of kernels: Devuan's armmp

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-29 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: [...] > A few releases ago, intoducing a new init script in /etc/init.d, > and the corresponding links in rc?.d has become a little more > complicated, because the comments at the head of the script now > consitute a meta-language describing the interdependencies of these

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-29 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 29/02/2016 19:31, shraptor a écrit : Due to real(boring?) work I've had not much time to put in on this. I did get devuan-jessie-amd64-alpha4-netboot.iso installed in a VirtualBox VM. This went without problems. Jude had already done some basic package-building that is present on git. H

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-29 Thread Mitt Green
Scooby wrote: >However me who never ever ran debian and are somewhat unfamiliar with >init here ran into problem getting vdev to run at start up? There is actually a couple of documents available‎, the first is README [1] and the second is How to Test vdev [2]. >I tried putting it into /etc/rcS.

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-29 Thread shraptor
Due to real(boring?) work I've had not much time to put in on this. I did get devuan-jessie-amd64-alpha4-netboot.iso installed in a VirtualBox VM. This went without problems. Jude had already done some basic package-building that is present on git. However me who never ever ran debian and

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 12/02/2016 16:00, shraptor a écrit : I dug up some very old correspondence I had with Jude regarding why he uses dash I said "however I dont have dash on my system so I had to symlink it to bash to make vdev run vdevd/helpers/LINUX/*.sh files" Here is what he said then 2015-05-22 06:25 "T

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-12 Thread shraptor
On 2016-02-12 15:34, shraptor wrote: On 2016-02-12 10:50, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 12/02/2016 02:54, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 11/02/2016 17:04, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: [...] It should be the name of a shell capable of running Bourne/ standard s

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-12 Thread shraptor
On 2016-02-12 10:50, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 12/02/2016 02:54, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 11/02/2016 17:04, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: [...] It should be the name of a shell capable of running Bourne/ standard shell scripts. But this may not work if

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-12 Thread shraptor
On 2016-02-11 23:48, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 11/02/2016 19:25, shraptor a écrit : In my setup /usr/bin/dash is a symlink to /usr/bin/bash That's a big mistake. On any Debian system, /bin/sh points to /bin/dash, and dash doesn't point to bash. Your system has certainly been hacked. Yes

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-12 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Rainer Weikusat writes: [/bin/dash -> /bin/sh] >>> There is no question here. *If* the script in question uses dash >>> spuriously, ie, it doesn't use features specific to dash but is actually >>> a Bourne shell script, replacing /bin/dash with /bin/sh should be >>> fine. If not, stuff is going

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 12/02/2016 06:21, Adam Borowski a écrit : On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:41:19PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: But POSIX conformance is not enough, /bin/dash in the shebang obviously renders portability impossible. Just look at any system script in your Debian or Devuan system and tell me if an

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 12/02/2016 02:54, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 11/02/2016 17:04, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: [...] It should be the name of a shell capable of running Bourne/ standard shell scripts. But this may not work if the /bin/dash in the original script was

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:41:19PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > But POSIX conformance is not enough, /bin/dash in the shebang obviously > renders portability impossible. Just look at any system script in your > Debian or Devuan system and tell me if any of them start with #! /bin/dash. https:/

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-11 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 11/02/2016 17:04, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> Didier Kryn writes: >> >> [...] >> It should be the name of a shell capable of running Bourne/ standard shell scripts. But this may not work if the /bin/dash in the original script was there for a reason, ie,

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-11 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 11/02/2016 19:25, shraptor a écrit : In my setup /usr/bin/dash is a symlink to /usr/bin/bash That's a big mistake. On any Debian system, /bin/sh points to /bin/dash, and dash doesn't point to bash. Your system has certainly been hacked. It works! Sure, bash can process ash sc

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-11 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 11/02/2016 17:04, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: [...] It should be the name of a shell capable of running Bourne/ standard shell scripts. But this may not work if the /bin/dash in the original script was there for a reason, ie, it was using dash features. As I alread

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-11 Thread shraptor
On 2016-02-11 10:56, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 10/02/2016 23:37, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 10/02/2016 18:50, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: [...] 2) At the time of this test campaign, the shebang line of vdev scripts was #!/bin/dash, which doesn't w

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-11 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: [...] >> It should be the name of a shell capable of running Bourne/ standard >> shell scripts. But this may not work if the /bin/dash in the original >> script was there for a reason, ie, it was using dash features. >> > As I already wrote, vdev was working well with bus

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-11 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 10/02/2016 23:40, Steve Litt a écrit : Didier, If you ever come to Orlando, Florida, USA, could you please give a presentation on Busybox and its use with initramfs systems at our local LUG, GoLUG? Your info is tremendously geeky and tremendously useful. Thanks for your confidence, Stev

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-11 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 10/02/2016 23:37, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 10/02/2016 18:50, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: [...] 2) At the time of this test campaign, the shebang line of vdev scripts was #!/bin/dash, which doesn't work in Busybox. It should be replaced by

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:11:16 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > I have some experience with initramfs, and I have already tested > vdev with Busybox in initramfs a while ago. But have no experience in > generating a Debian/Devuan initramfs. Here's my experience with > vdev+busybox: > > Ther

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 10/02/2016 18:50, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> Didier Kryn writes: >> >> [...] >> >>> 2) At the time of this test campaign, the shebang line of vdev >>> scripts was #!/bin/dash, which doesn't work in Busybox. It should be >>> replaced by #!/bin/sh which works in all

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 10/02/2016 18:50, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: [...] 2) At the time of this test campaign, the shebang line of vdev scripts was #!/bin/dash, which doesn't work in Busybox. It should be replaced by #!/bin/sh which works in all cases. This isn't necessarily true. Both

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread Go Linux
On Wed, 2/10/16, Jaromil wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2016, 8:09 AM On Wed, 10 Feb 2016, shraptor wrote: > Thank you Adam for offering help,

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: [...] > 2) At the time of this test campaign, the shebang line of vdev > scripts was #!/bin/dash, which doesn't work in Busybox. It should be > replaced by #!/bin/sh which works in all cases. This isn't necessarily true. Both dash and the usual busybox sh are forks of th

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread shraptor
On 2016-02-10 15:11, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 10/02/2016 12:02, shraptor a écrit : On 2016-02-10 00:35, Adam Borowski wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 09:20:32AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 09:15:28AM +0100, shraptor wrote: > >Vdev is still in its final stages of development,

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread shraptor
On 2016-02-10 15:09, Jaromil wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016, shraptor wrote: Thank you Adam for offering help, Are you knowledgeable on initramfs in general? I think we need someone versed in debian/devuan initramfs generation with hooks and so on? on irc #devuan there is gdm85 who is an expert

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 10/02/2016 12:02, shraptor a écrit : On 2016-02-10 00:35, Adam Borowski wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 09:20:32AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 09:15:28AM +0100, shraptor wrote: > >Vdev is still in its final stages of development, as far as I know. > >Running on developp

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016, shraptor wrote: > Thank you Adam for offering help, Are you knowledgeable on initramfs > in general? I think we need someone versed in debian/devuan > initramfs generation with hooks and so on? on irc #devuan there is gdm85 who is an expert on this. He is also in Amsterd

[DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working, for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread aitor_czr
El 10/02/16 a las 13:00, shraptor escribió: I think Aitor wrote a while ago about creating a vdev package? Aitor could you give an update on that effort? best regards Scooby Hups! :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists

[DNG] vdev packaging effort ( was: state of what's working for modern desktop usage)

2016-02-10 Thread shraptor
On 2016-02-10 00:35, Adam Borowski wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 09:20:32AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 09:15:28AM +0100, shraptor wrote: > >Vdev is still in its final stages of development, as far as I know. > >Running on developpment asd some test systems, but still bei