Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-06 Thread Paul Vixie
Fred Morris wrote: > ... Try setting up an RPZ with > a dozen or so of the most common third-party "content providers", and tell > me about your page load performance! say more? ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-06 Thread Anthony Eden
If you want URIs in the right hand side, just go with NAPTR. If browsers supported transparent URI redirection (i.e. what most DNS providers call URL forwarding and implement as an HTTP 301 response) then NAPTR is likely the way to do it. -Anthony On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Patrik Fältström

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Patrik Fältström
> ;; ANSWER SECTION: > _http._tcp.pkg.freebsd.OrG. 3485 IN SRV 50 10 80 pkg0.bme.freebsd.org. > _http._tcp.pkg.freebsd.OrG. 3485 IN SRV 10 10 80 pkg0.isc.freebsd.org. > _http._tcp.pkg.freebsd.OrG. 3485 IN SRV 90 10 80 pkg0.ydx.freebsd.org. > _http._tcp.pkg.freebsd.OrG. 3485

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message > , > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Colm_MacC=E1rthaigh?= writes: >> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: >> >> > >> > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 >> > >> >> ... >> >> >> > ;; ANSWER SECTION: >> > _http._tcp.pkg.freebs

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Fred Morris
On Sat, 5 Apr 2014, [ISO-8859-1] Colm MacC?rthaigh wrote: > [...] > It's speculation on my part, but that behavior might be holding back SRV. > It's probably a hard-sell to expect browsers to perform two queries instead > of one, and to double the time they spend in DNS resolution. No offense inte

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Colm_MacC=E1rthaigh?= writes: > On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 > > > > ... > > > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > > _http._tcp.pkg.freebsd.OrG. 3485 IN SRV 50 10 80 > > pkg0.bme.freebsd.org. > > _h

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Colm MacCárthaigh
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 > ... > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > _http._tcp.pkg.freebsd.OrG. 3485 IN SRV 50 10 80 > pkg0.bme.freebsd.org. > _http._tcp.pkg.freebsd.OrG. 3485 IN SRV 10 10 80 > pkg0.isc.freebsd.org. > _http

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Mark Andrews
The packaging system uses it. ; <<>> DiG 9.10.0b2 <<>> _http._tcp.pkg.freebsd.org SRV ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 8334 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, fla

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On Apr 5, 2014, at 17:10 , Doug Barton wrote: > On 04/05/2014 01:51 PM, Matthew Pounsett wrote: >> >> On Apr 4, 2014, at 23:26 , Mark Andrews wrote: >> >>> FreeBSD is using _http._tcp today for some of their services. >> >> Do you know for which ones? > > portaudit for one. ; <<>> DiG 9.8.

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 04/05/2014 01:51 PM, Matthew Pounsett wrote: On Apr 4, 2014, at 23:26 , Mark Andrews wrote: FreeBSD is using _http._tcp today for some of their services. Do you know for which ones? portaudit for one. Doug ___ dns-operations mailing list dn

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On Apr 4, 2014, at 23:26 , Mark Andrews wrote: > FreeBSD is using _http._tcp today for some of their services. Do you know for which ones? ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> IN SRV _http._tcp.freebsd.org ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 20566 ;;

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 04/04/2014 02:20 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: [Warning: sloppy terminology, for instance, "root" is not used in the usual DNS meaning.] http://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cnames-at-a-domains-root Funny idea but it works only if your DNS is hosted at Cloud

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Paul Vixie
Mark Andrews wrote: > ... The big barrier is people saying "there is a big barrier" sort of like EDNS, DNSSEC, IPv6. i guess there's never time to do it right, but always time to do it over? vixie ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@li

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <21310.50033.650900.982...@tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com>, David C Law rence writes: > Stephane Bortzmeyer writes: > > I was not able to find a real example: all the companies mentioned in > > the article as being happy users have their Web server at CloudFlare, > > where this service is

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Anthony Eden writes: > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM, David C Lawrence wrote: > > > > > > Bring me a world in which SRV for HTTP without location bar > > redirection is commonplace, and we'd be happy to encourage its use. > > > > I agree 100%. I'd much rather it be done on the

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <533ec5c4.4050...@tiggee.com>, David Miller writes: > This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) > > On 04/04/2014 06:54 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > Or one can add SRV or some other record that does the name > > to server mapping and not have to do all this b

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 01:24:03PM -0700, Matthew Ghali wrote: > > Second, to call this record synthesis a “CNAME” is a disservice to the > industry. While I agree with that (and was of course piqued by the lousy description of why you can't have a CNAME at the apex -- err, sorry, "root" -- of

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Matthew Ghali
On Apr 4, 2014, at 2:20 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > [Warning: sloppy terminology, for instance, "root" is not used in the > usual DNS meaning.] > > http://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cnames-at-a-domains-root > > Funny idea but it works only if your DNS i

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread wbrown
> From: David Miller > Everything old is new again. > > I have this brand new earth shattering idea to suspend a seat on a frame > between two wheels, attach a sprocket to the rear wheel, and by means of > a chain between the rear sprocket and a rotating pedal assembly allow a > user to sit on a

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Peter Koch
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 09:12:52AM -0700, Edward Lewis wrote: > This all smells like something that the IETF is suited to help with. I mean, > operators, multiple implementations, desires for interoperability... it appears to me as one of these 'in the privacy of your own bed^Wimplementation' t

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Edward Lewis
rc.net] On Behalf Of David C Lawrence [t...@akamai.com] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 11:34 AM To: dns-operati...@mail.dns-oarc.net Subject: Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root Anthony Eden writes: > Ah, I didn't know that. Have yo

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread David C Lawrence
Anthony Eden writes: > Ah, I didn't know that. Have you or others from Akamai ever written up > anything about your implementation? I doubt anything publicly, though we do have internal documentation. There might have been a non-technical press release back in 2003, but this routine of writing sem

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Anthony Eden
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:40 PM, David Miller wrote: > > > > I've been thinking about writing an RFC for this, but I've never > > actually done it, and it will take some time to do, however I think > > defining how an ALIAS record will synthesize its response is probably > > something we need at th

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Anthony Eden
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM, David C Lawrence wrote: > > > Bring me a world in which SRV for HTTP without location bar > redirection is commonplace, and we'd be happy to encourage its use. > I agree 100%. I'd much rather it be done on the client than to have to deal with implementing it on our

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread David Miller
On 04/04/2014 06:54 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > Or one can add SRV or some other record that does the name > to server mapping and not have to do all this behind the > scenes stuff. One would need to add several SRV records, if the host provided several services. One would also

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread David Miller
On 04/04/2014 06:23 AM, Anthony Eden wrote: > While CloudFlare did not give any credit to previous work done (which > sort of pisses me off, but whatever), they are essentially implementing > the same thing that Amazon did with their ALIAS implementation, the same > thing that we did with the DNSim

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread David C Lawrence
Stephane Bortzmeyer writes: > I was not able to find a real example: all the companies mentioned in > the article as being happy users have their Web server at CloudFlare, > where this service is useless. I agree, it is a little peculiar, with their anycast HTTP servers. You can see that some of t

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Edward Lewis
>From: dns-operations-boun...@mail.dns-oarc.net ... >Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 5:20 AM >To: dns-operati...@dns-oarc.net >Subject: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs > at a Domain's Root > >http://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cnam

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Andrews
Or one can add SRV or some other record that does the name to server mapping and not have to do all this behind the scenes stuff. It's not like MX records didn't exist when the web was created or that we weren't adding new records to the DNS. Indir

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Anthony Eden
While CloudFlare did not give any credit to previous work done (which sort of pisses me off, but whatever), they are essentially implementing the same thing that Amazon did with their ALIAS implementation, the same thing that we did with the DNSimple ALIAS implementation, and the same thing that DN

Re: [dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Marco Davids (SIDN)
On 04-04-14 11:20, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > http://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cnames-at-a-domains-root > > Funny idea Indeed. Until you want to use DNSSEC. -- Marco smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature __

[dns-operations] Introducing CNAME Flattening: RFC-Compliant CNAMEs at a Domain's Root

2014-04-04 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
[Warning: sloppy terminology, for instance, "root" is not used in the usual DNS meaning.] http://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cnames-at-a-domains-root Funny idea but it works only if your DNS is hosted at CloudFlare. I was not able to find a real example: all th