Re: [DNSOP] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstrap-00

2011-01-31 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 31, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Joe Abley wrote: It's scrappy, and it's little more than I have said on this list in the past week, but I thought it might be handy to have in written form. I'm not entirely sure I grokked section 6. It sounds like you're proposing that we use locally-configured

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstrap-00

2011-01-31 Thread John Bashinski
On 2011-01-31 14:32, Joe Abley wrote: Per below, Dave and I scribbled some thoughts down about how we might recommend validators obtain a useful root zone trust anchor on startup. Wow, that's fast service. :-) Individual trust anchors are also packaged as X.509 identity certificates,

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstrap-00

2011-01-31 Thread Joe Abley
[we should probably choose either dnsop or dnsext for this, and stop posting to both, sorry for starting that trend] On 2011-01-31, at 16:44, John Bashinski wrote: On 2011-01-31 14:32, Joe Abley wrote: Individual trust anchors are also packaged as X.509 identity certificates, signed by

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstrap-00

2011-01-31 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: Either way, it's a local trust anchor... and I don't see why X.509 keys are any less compromisable than DNS keys... The difference is that X.509 keys, as deployed by CAs, have expected lifetimes measured in decades.

Re: [DNSOP] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstrap-00

2011-01-31 Thread Joe Abley
On 2011-01-31, at 15:26, Ted Lemon wrote: On Jan 31, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Joe Abley wrote: It's scrappy, and it's little more than I have said on this list in the past week, but I thought it might be handy to have in written form. I'm not entirely sure I grokked section 6. It sounds like

[DNSOP] Time vs bootstrap (was Re: [dnsext] draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstrap-00)

2011-01-31 Thread Brian Dickson
Top-replying here, to attempt a high-level suggestion on how to get some close approximation of time, using DNS/DNSSEC exclusively. (Warning to those with weak stomachs - this is mildly evil stuff.) First, without any assurances on the accuracy of local time, the best that can be achieved

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Time vs bootstrap (was Re: draft-jabley-dnsop-validator-bootstrap-00)

2011-01-31 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Brian Dickson wrote: However, once you have a trust anchor (root key) that you have a lot of confidence in, you can then do some cute DNSSEC tricks to get a rough idea of time, and then a better idea of time. First, look at the contents of the RRSIGs for the root. If you