Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 04:50:37PM -0800, David Conrad wrote a message of 63 lines which said: > This implies every time the IETF makes use of 6761, those tables of > special labels is going to need to be updated (and I suspect the > chances of this being done universally and consistently appr

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread Tony Finch
David Conrad wrote: > > "My point was exactly that the local stub resolver (that is, the library > on the system that issues to name resolution requests, not the part of > the name resolution system that does the work, be it DNS, mDNS, YP, or > whatever) will be expected to distinguish between rea

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread David Conrad
Tony, On Dec 4, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > David Conrad wrote: >> Haven't we been here before (e.g., .bitnet/.csnet/.uucp)? > To me this sounds a lot like private namespaces in the DNS which > correspond to private networks - the analogy being that these special > non-DNS names often

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread David Conrad
Stephane, On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:44 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > It seems a criticism of RFC 6761, not of the current registration proposal. Yes and no. Yes, I think 6761 is broken in parts (somehow I missed discussion of the draft), however the issue I'm worried about is the proliferation

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread Warren Kumari
On Dec 4, 2013, at 12:14 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Stephane, > > On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:44 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >> It seems a criticism of RFC 6761, not of the current registration proposal. > > Yes and no. Yes, I think 6761 is broken in parts (somehow I missed > discussion of the

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread Joe Abley
On Wednesday 4 December 2013 at 14:40, Warren Kumari wrote: > I really like .alt -- it makes it clear that this is an alternate namespace > type thing, mirrors the usenet alt convention, etc. > .p2p seems less descriptive, and not all alternate things are peer to peer. I think it's pertinent t

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread SM
Hi David, At 09:14 04-12-2013, David Conrad wrote: On the minus side, management of .ARPA is a part of the IANA functions contract which implies changes will require US DoC NTIA approval, so I'd agree that there is a potential for delays and ... non-technical discussion. .arpa is an IETF matt

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Dec 4, 2013, at 12:01 PM, SM wrote: > Hi David, > At 09:14 04-12-2013, David Conrad wrote: >> On the minus side, management of .ARPA is a part of the IANA functions >> contract which implies changes will require US DoC NTIA approval, so I'd >> agree that there is a potential for delays and

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread Joe Abley
On Wednesday 4 December 2013 at 15:01, SM wrote: > At 09:14 04-12-2013, David Conrad wrote: > > On the minus side, management of .ARPA is a part of the IANA > > functions contract which implies changes will require US DoC NTIA > > approval, so I'd agree that there is a potential for delays and

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread David Conrad
On Dec 4, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > On Wednesday 4 December 2013 at 15:01, SM wrote: >> At 09:14 04-12-2013, David Conrad wrote: >>> On the minus side, management of .ARPA is a part of the IANA >>> functions contract which implies changes will require US DoC NTIA >>> approval, so I'd

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org: I-D Action: draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-00.txt]

2013-12-04 Thread Warren Kumari
On Dec 4, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > > > On Wednesday 4 December 2013 at 14:40, Warren Kumari wrote: > >> I really like .alt -- it makes it clear that this is an alternate namespace >> type thing, mirrors the usenet alt convention, etc. >> .p2p seems less descriptive, and not all a