Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards

2015-03-13 Thread Nicholas Weaver
On Mar 13, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Morizot Timothy S timothy.s.mori...@irs.gov wrote: It’s been steadily increasing for years now and gives me an idea what percentage of the US public is protected against certain types of attacks involving our zones. DNSSEC validation is not a panacea, but in

[DNSOP] RFC 7477 on Child-to-Parent Synchronization in DNS

2015-03-13 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7477 Title: Child-to-Parent Synchronization in DNS Author: W. Hardaker Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: March 2015 Mailbox:

Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards

2015-03-13 Thread Morizot Timothy S
Nonsense. I'm not sure exactly what sort of attack profile you have in mind at the registrar with a, but given that the TTL for DS records is generally 24 hours, most attacks at that level will create pretty widespread DNSSEC validation errors for at least that initial day. DNSSEC validation

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Terminology: Glue

2015-03-13 Thread Casey Deccio
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Tony Finch d...@dotat.at wrote: Patrik Wallström pa...@blipp.com wrote: Glue Name Records are defined as all NS records pertaining to the child domain that are delivered by the

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Terminology: Glue

2015-03-13 Thread Casey Deccio
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: Casey noticing the updated, wider definition in 2181 kinda throws a wrench into the what is not glue discussion. Here is a proposed update to the draft that includes both definitions and discusses the ramifications of

Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards

2015-03-13 Thread Colm MacCárthaigh
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message 3d558422-d5da-4434-bded-e752ba353...@flame.org, Michael Graff writes: What problem are we specifically trying to solve here again? A non-problem for most of us. Michael If one really wants to reduce the number

Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards

2015-03-13 Thread Paul Vixie
Nicholas Weaver mailto:nwea...@icsi.berkeley.edu Saturday, March 14, 2015 5:07 AM ... Overall, unless you are validating on the end host rather than the recursive resolver, DNSSEC does a lot of harm from misconfiguration-DOS, but almost no good. several of us jumped for joy in 2008 when

Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards

2015-03-13 Thread D. J. Bernstein
I remain puzzled at the entire technological motivation that CloudFlare claims for this deliberate creation of interoperability problems. In particular, what exactly is the programming difficulty that they claim they're encountering in implementing QTYPE=*? Are they also having trouble

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Terminology: Glue

2015-03-13 Thread Evan Hunt
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 09:00:34AM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: If there is a well-accepted name for address records that come with glue records but are not actually glue records, we can add it, but I am hesitant for this document becoming a list of things observed in the wild that don't already

Re: [DNSOP] DNS Terminology: Glue

2015-03-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Mar 13, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Evan Hunt e...@isc.org wrote: Given the amount of discussion this topic has generated, and the number of ways I've seen the word used in the past (and, in fact, have used it myself when speaking imprecisely), a discursive paragraph about common misuses might be